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Depressed and resentful that my husband works too much
Dec 2009I have been with my husband for 10 years, married for the last five. We have two young children. He is very successful in his career and I feel very grateful that he has a well paying job, we have a nice home, and we are in a good financial place. But...
For the last couple years, as he moved forward in his career, he works longer and longer hours and travels constantly (as in, often, a few days per week.) He's in advertising, so needs to go to this or that place for the productions. This is an industry that doesn't seem to put to much value on ''family time'' and the days are long.
When traveling, he often doesn't finish work till late, so then goes out and it's all expenses paid dinners/drinks at fancy places...often till late because they wrap up late...while I sit at the table with my kids and mac and cheese night after night. I can't help but feel irritated by this. I do trust him, and he checks in constantly while he is out/away and talks about how much he misses us, but it's so lonely being the only one at home so often.
When he is in town, it's long nights and sometimes weekends depending on work demands, but I will say that when he's off work...his family is his priority and he spends his time with us. He is a loving and gentle man and in other than this, he is very good to us.
We moved around a lot, to follow his career, although now I think we are settled for awhile, but the moves have been tough. I quit my job to be a stay at home mom, and am now living further from family and friends. It's isolating.
I am depressed. I find myself resenting him for the hours he works, for missing some of our kids' events, for never being able to schedule things more than a few days out (and even sometimes that is hit or miss.) Just when I think he'll be around for a bit, boom, it's more travel and late nights. We fight about his schedule constantly, and he says he's caught between a rock and a hard place trying to keep his job while still being a good dad/husband.
I am at a crossroads. I know he's working hard to provide for the family, and yet I would trade in some of the financial security for our family to feel whole again. I'm beginning to question if the job will always come before family, if my resentment will just keep building. Am I being fair? Is this selfish? I'd love to hear from any other women with traveling or workaholic husbands, and how they cope. Married But Alone
This sounds so painfully lonely, and sad. My heart goes out to you., and your children The questions you ask sound tailor made for couples counseling. Remember the two of you are a team, and if half the team isn't happy then that's something worthy of serious attention. Good luck. joanne
It sounds like you may need to ask yourself some tough questions. Are you willing to give up your financial security to have more time with your husband? Let me tell you, that may not be as good as it sounds. My husband has a low-paying job that never requires traveling. I am the family breadwinner, but I don't make all that much money either. Our lives are extremely stressful with both of us working and there never being quite enough money for things we both took for granted growing up.
If you don't want to lose your husband's income, here are some possibilities. You may need to develop a hobby or activity so that your life doesn't revolve around your husband. Make plans for you and the kids that don't involve him. Go out to nice places for dinner with the kids -- you have the money for it! Skip the mac and cheese! Treat yourself to a nice spa overnight, where they have hotel daycare. Make friends with other moms in similar situations. I love to travel on vacation, but my husband hates it, so I find friends to travel with. Us moms and kids have great times together. I think if you went traveling and had some of the fun you think your husband is having, you might feel less resentful. You don't have to wait for him to be around to have a life! Go for it!
I imagine many of us in the Bay Area are in a similar position to you - our real estate prices are so expensive that at least one member of the couple has to work ridiculous hours. My husband has a similar work schedule to yours. I also work, but both my kids are in school/pre- school and I'm able to drop them off and pick them up on their schedule.
I can't say that I never get lonely or depressed, but I don't blame this on my husband's job or him not being around. I try to figure out (when I feel like this) - what is it that I really want or what would make me feel better?
Most of the time, I want friendship or a night out (to swallow my food) or some exercise or other people in my house for adult conversation. So I've tried to fill those needs when they come up by getting a sitter for a night, so I could have some time away from the kids or switching off with another parent (it's often easier to take care of 4 kids when two of them are not yours, so the kids play together - than just 2 of your own) to get a little exercise time.
See if there are other parents with workaholic partners in your area. At least you can share dinners once in a while and laugh about the fact that mac-n-cheese is your regular dinner. You don't talk about missing being treated as a professional, but if you feel your kids are ready for preschool or a day program 2-3 days per week, it's worth looking for some sort of volunteer or work opportunity during that time - IF it would make you feel better.
I can't stress how important exercise is for me. Just taking a 20 minute walk once per day or swimming laps and taking a shower a couple times a week is a life saver. Best of luck to you
Well it all depends on one aspect you haven't mentioned. Do you work? If you do you are justified, if you don't then you need to find a venue to feel better about yourself.
For the first 2 years of my son's life i stayed home and my husband worked a job like your husband, minus the traveling. He was gone (and still is) 13 hours a day (sometimes more). At the time he spent 2 hours in the morning with our son. Now that his hours have changed, he sees him 1/2 hour to 1 hour a day. He spends his entire week end doing things with us.
There are so much expectations out there..money, nice houses, perfect families...and then lots of divorce because of too many unrealistic expectations. I think you can choose to have a different life if you both agree. But if you ask him to simply work less it's not going to go well. he is holding up his end of the bargain very well and you'd be surprised how many husbands DON''T. First you should figure out WHY you feel that way. if it's because you feel alone and unfilfilled it's not his job to fix that. So socialize more, volunteer, work a little. Whatever it might be try to own it and fix it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too...everyone i know that has that type of life, including us, either both parents work crazy hours, or one works insane hours. And in the advertising industry it's very normal. That said, you are unhappy. really you are a bit envious and a bit bored it sounds like. Either you should socialize more, work a little or even volunteer a little, depending on what is actually possible. If it's too awful then you need to talk to him and maybe you could reevaluate your life...as in, he could take a job that pays less and gives him more family time and you could supplement by working or you could downsize, sell your house and rent while the kids are growing up and need more family time
You said you trust him, you said he spends all the free time he has with you. Those are great signs. Obviously he works hard to provide a good life for his family since you are financially stable and have a nice home. That has a price. And it's that he is gone often. . anon
Sigh, nothing is ever perfect, but I would count your blessings. I could only wish for such a situation. My partner is hard working (I think), but earns almost nothing, gives it all away in child support, and I end up supporting the him and my two kids here (and doing most of the housework). At least he is good to the kids, has few bad habits, and is around sometimes. another mom
OH boy, does my heart go out to you! I have totally been there and came out of it in ways better than I could have imagined! Now, I work as a life coach, helping parents cope with the many transitions we go through on our journey from giving birth to the empty nest. Back then, I found great comfort and great friends by finding others in similar situations. I started up a ''lonely hearts club'' for Mom's whose husbands traveled a lot or worked late and I found they were easy to find once I started asking around! We would get together every week for dinner at each others houses and boy did it help! It wasn't fancy dinners but it was fun, supportive, relaxing and busy, all at the same time. Don't overlook neighbors, single Moms or Moms whose husbands play or coach sports (they are ''seasonal widows''). I think you are doing the right thing by reaching out to other Moms, they need you as much as you need them! Take Care and Good Luck!
Hi, I would be depressed too. And your story, although different from mine, has a common thread: As a mother I thought a big part of my job was to endure any situation independently. So in essence, I took on the kids' schedules, the kids' homework, the kids' social lives, planning our family vacations from a-z, maintaining the home and preparing meals for the family. In the end, it was far too much and I had a mental breakdown. At that time in my life, others told me I was a perfectionist covering way too many bases, and neglecting myself all the while. So here I type, a more balanced woman, wife and mother. I am a work in progress, but I must say with mindfullness, many positive changes have come my way. I am so much happier and far more balanced. My husband appreciates me more as well -- he sees that I am investing in myself and he respects me for that. My husband and I are in marital therapy, I am making time for my physical health (I started yoga which I would recommend), I am considering what my interests are beyond my family. I am investing in childcare and giving myself more time and space. I hire a sitter regularly (expensive but worth it) to go out with my husband, sometimes in the company of friends. If you are depressed because your husband is absent, you deserve to ask him for what you need. If he cannot give it to you initially, then at least create space for yourself. Best to you
Hi; Sorry to hear about your depression. You could go to a doctor to make sure there is nothing wrong with you; but it is understandable why you are depressed.
By your message; sounds like you have a lot to be grateful for. Trust me, not being able to buy your child clothes or meals out or worrying how you will pay rent is a big streesor that you dont have. Also, your husband is involved when he can so that shows you have a good man who really cares.
Your good man is also very motivated to succeed in his career. If he gave this up; he would be the depressed one. A mans career and being able to provide for his family is a strong sense of identity. If you convinced him to switch careers to accomodate you then it is very possible he will end up bitter and no longer the man you love today.
With that said...can't you use some of that money for yourself. Tell your husband you are interviewing nannies/babysitters so you can have free time both when he is away and during the day to do things that nurture you. Your husband needs to accept that you need your personal time and you can use this to connect with friends, exercise (very good for depression), volunteer or make new friends. This will go a long way to easing your depression. Getting out of the house and letting someone care for your kids will go a long way.
Since money is not an issue, this should be a good start. Also, your husband may not be too happy with this and it may cause a shift in him knowing that you are not always at home 100% of the time caring for his children. Take a stand and let him know there are changes coming. Also, can you leave him alone some time with the kids? He needs to walk in your shoes (slippers)! AA
All I can say is I know someone who worked in Advertising for 25 years and his work hours and travel sound the same as your husbands. I think that is expected for that industry. I think it is also an industry that spits you out when you can't keep up with that schedule. If your husband hates his job then I'd encourage you guys to rethink his career choice. But if he finds the work exciting and satifying, I suggest you get some counseling together to see if things can be balanced a little more to make you happier. There are other careers also that have extreme time or travel demands and people make it work when they want it to. Good luck!
I hear you, and I'm so sorry you're experiencing this. My situation is similar, though my husband comes home around 7pm but works on house projects in the basement till 2 or 3am and all weekend long (installing solar panels, a radiant floor heating system, seismic retrofitting, etc -- all by himself). So I feel totally alone. I used to get so depressed, angry, frustrated, disillusioned, sad -- this is not the marriage I want. But something has happened in me -- I don't like it, but it's how I'm coping. I've become indifferent. When he's around, I am happy that he is such a wonderful Papa. And, I am incredibly grateful that he's such a good provider and caretaker. But I have stopped waiting for him to be present, and I have started feeling that when he is around it's like icing on the cake. Nonessential, but marvelous nonetheless. So that when he's absent, I don't feel depressed. It's weird to feel so indifferent, but it's working. I love my son so much that I can be completely happy with him, and I try to treat every moment as if it's special, and I don't think about waiting for my husband for something to be special. I make nice dinners for the two of us (baby and me, with leftovers for daddy). I go to the ocean and play with my son and my dog, and for the most part I've actually stopped feeling sad when I see all the two-partner families happily playing together. I have made an effort to join a mama's group and sometimes I get together with other families (I always feel a little bad that my husband didn't join us, but then I remember to feel grateful for the fun outing). It's not what I want in a marriage or a family. But it's what I have, and things seem so much better now that my emotional life is not dependent on whether he is present or not. When he's around, I feel I can really embrace our family time. When he's gone, I try to forget about him and just be 100% present with my son. I try really hard to connect with other people (though my natural tendency is to be more solitary). And, I always try to be grateful. I have so much to be grateful for, and just remembering that helps me feel happy. Studies have shown that the more grateful you are, the more happy you are, and I can certainly attest to the truth of that. I hope that things will change in the future, but my emotions are not dependent on that hope, either. Things are much better for me now! Grateful and Happy
It is time to schedule a talk with him. Tell him how unhappy you are and ask to negotiate for a better future. Do the negotiations by brainstorming with abandon and being respectful of each other. If he feels he can not change his career path, work together to spend more time together (start taking trips with him often and finding alternative child care people, etc). Find time for each other and then the family to keep the bond strong and feel connected. Perhaps have a calendar to go over each week to schedule time together and for him to attend functions for the kids. You must be persistant and tell him this is not going to blow over. That it is critical now and must be addressed and worked on together as husband and wife. hope
I used to be in much the same boat as you -- husband working all the time, little ones at home, moved far from family and friends. I worked too which was also stressful since we had part time childcare and I did almost everything at home on top of my 40 hours/week at work. And I had given up a high-powered job that I loved to get a mellower job so that someone could be with the kids more. But, from the start we had an end date (when he got tenure) which made it more survivable.
Instead of fighting all the time about his schedule, can you talk to him? Ask if he envisions his life to be like this forever. Ask if he would be willing to do this for 3 more years or 5 more years and then get a mellower job. Then work on saving as much as you possibly can during those years. Pay off your house. Save for the kids' education. Build up a nest egg.
You might also want to see if you can go back to work, at least part time. Having more of a life yourself might make you feel better.
BTW, when he is on the road, going out to those dinners and drinks with co-workers and clients are part of his job. He probably wishes he were at home eating mac & cheese with you just as much as you wish you were going out to fancy dinners. Anon
I'm not sure I have much advise for you but here's a true story. My cousin's husband was very much like yours worked and traveled all the time. family moved at least 6 times as he was transferred around, finally was promoted so they settled in one area and he didn't have to travel so much. became more of a family man with a more balanced life. then his company was bought and the new owners gave him an ultimatum - take a demotion for less pay and previous hours with the old traveling life-style or take 6 mo severance and leave. He took the severance. He did find a job in spite of the economy but he earns half what he did before and they will probably lose their nice house.
It's hard to choose between financial security and a decent life. This may or may not be time to make that choice given the times. you say ''I know he's working hard to provide for the family'' this is a big deal for many men and there's a lot of pressure to do what it takes.
You also say, ''I would trade in some of the financial security for our family to feel whole again.'' Would you really? how much security? would you then look for a job to share the burden? Would you be able to earn enough to come out ahead of the hourly costs of childcare?
YOu mention feeling resentment, it may not feel liek it but resent is a choice you make. you can get yourself a life to occupy you while he works, as long as you wait around wishing you will be resentful but you do have to. If you feel like you can't plan because his schedule is unpredictable then schedule stuff that can include him or stuff you can just cancel. You have my sympathy, I'm not in your space but if I was, I don't think I'd like it much. But you do have options other than the ones you mentioned. anon
Dear Depressed (Husband works too much), I felt compelled to write to you because your story could be mine, and you are not alone in feeling the way you do. I have struggled with my husband's schedule for many many years while everything else is good. I realized many years ago that the work/travel hours were not going to change and it was a turning point because I started to let go of the resentment as it was, subtly, affecting our children and home life and corrosive for me. I too am a professional who stopped working to stay home with the kids as our combined work-life was impossible to sustain. Basically, I decided that my job was the home and family front. I began to relax into this job, with the kids, and began doing a lot more for myself, pursuing some other creative interests through classes over the years (UC extension/ASUC, cooking, literature, photography, exercise etc.), and making my home really livable. This takes a while, and while life can be somewhat isolated, there are great aspects to it. Raising children, having a loving home, being in a marriage, these are worthwhile things in life to surrender to and it can take many years to do so because we are educated and trained to do everything but value this. empathetic anon
I feel for your situation....as I was in your exact position 4 years ago. Yes, your husband's work will be a priority.....and it's difficult to complain to the neighbors or other moms if you are driving a nice care and finances are fine. If your husband is missing all important child events and starts canceling holidays, etc....I would be worried....but tread water when you confront him. I started complaining to my husband (now ex) and it was a risk I took....because he was very sensitive and thought I didn't appreciate the money/lifestyle he provided. I was a stay at home mom and had to look within myself and decide if this is what I would want for me and my life and also my kids. If you went back to work....would your kids have good support from family. Or, would they be with a nanny? You have to decide what you want for yourself. If you want changes in your family situation....you need to confront them and talk to your husband....but realize that there's a possibility he may not support you or change his lifestyle. I decided to go the nanny way to take time for myself...but I continued to by unsatisfied cuz my ex was still not there for kid events or weekend holiday fun. Finally, I had to ask for counseling ww My ex was completely enthralled in his work..traveling for 2 weeks straight to various projects and reading technical books and taking business calls at night. We went into counseling and the marriage ended up ending. I was devastated for my boys....who are still very young as well. Despite my worry for the boys, I am much happier as a person. I have a luxury of having enough money where I still don't need to work much. If you would like to discuss more...please email me. steph
I'm married and both my husband and I work full time. We try really hard to make things 50-50 and share equally in both providing for our family and raising our kids when we're home. So I don't blame you for feeling resentful. Boy, this raises my hackles as a feminist. It's so common in our society! Here's my thinking: the best parenting is done as a shared job. It was a mutual decision to have kids and raising them needs to be a mutual task, shared in partnership. This requires some sacrifice on the part of both people. You've sacrificed everything. Your husband has sacrificed nothing. He's going way beyond the basic job of providing for his family. It's easy to get lost in careerism. Time to pull him back. This is just my personal opinion but it's not okay for your husband to continue advancing his career. He's pursuing his personal career goals at the expense of his relationship with you and his family. Time to ask him to reprioritize and scale back his job, even look for a different career, so it's more in line with family life. He can always ramp up his career again as the kids get older, leave the house. As he downscales, you could take a part time job to help balance things. Advocate for your kids and yourself. All the best. anon
Hi! Me, too. Before we had our daughter (we are currently expecting our second), my husband and I were workaholics with successful careers. We'd do fun things together whenever schedule permitted. But as soon as we got married and had our daughter, I realised a definite shift in my focus, while my husband has unfortunately lagged behind. It has been over 2 years and we are expecting our second in a few months, and I still have to bitterly fight and struggle with the skewed work-life balance. At times, I feel bitter - bc he is the one forging ahead with his career, while mine is on hold. But I know this is a false emotion, because I would not trade taking care of my kids at this critical stage for anything in the world. And, also for their sake, I want a home where there is plenty of family time, a regular work schedule that does not eat into our time together, and an obvious focus on building us as a family versus job/financial security. In the end, to me, building a strong family and social network where the kids have memories of a golden childhood is far more meaningful than building individual careers, living in isolation, just so we can have a fat bank account. My husband argues that being an entrepreneur this will always be his life. I disagree, and feel despair. If he does not internalize the importance of shoving everything aside so he can be with us, even if that means having less ''stuff'', less money, I am not sure how I will provide for my kids the way we were by my parents - in fabulous memories of parties, picnics, vacations, fun together. I feel like my husband has to be strongly rebooted into understanding that it is not acceptable for him to arrange our family life around his work. It is a tough situation, bc mine like your's is a wonderful, sweet, gentle man. But things will have to change around our house. I cannot continue with the way things are, and I am determined to bring about that change in mind-set before our second arrives. Mostly this is accomplished through extensive talks that we try to have regularly..Hang in there. I hear you loud and clear... Sympathizer
Hello Married But Alone, I'm so sorry that your husband and you haven't been spending the amount of regular, predictable quality time together that you desire. It's great that you are listening to yourself and taking action by seeking advice.
One next step you can take is to figure out exactly, and specifically what you want and don't want in your ideal life with your husband and children. Then you can start to write down a list of what you want in that ideal life. Keep refining! Don't settle for: I want my husband and I to spend more time together, instead write: I want my husband to spend time with me and our kids between 6pm and 9pm every weekday, and all waking hours of Saturday and Sunday, except for the 5 hours when he will go to grandma's, and also pick up the dry cleaning. You get what I mean. Wrap yourself up in this beautiful dream.
The next goal here is to make sure you communicate with him so that he understands you are not attacking him, you are simply communicating exactly what you want - to be with him because you love him! Acknowledge his feelings, and also that his job is a huge part of his identity, his competence, and his survival. Then ask him how he feels or thinks about the situation. Make sure you absorb his ideas from a neutral place, not reacting to them, just letting them sit in your mind, the way you hope yours will sit in his mind. When you discuss ideas in a caring way, and approach with empathy, your ideas have deeper impact.
One third step you can take is to find ways to slowly create the life you want without changing someone else. For instance, maybe you could find a way to come and bring the kids on some of his trips, so you'll be together in the hotel room. Or have a friend watch the kids, and go with him alone sometimes. These might not be your solutions, but nurture your dreams and find the path which calls to you! I wish you well on your journey! Lauren
hi, i just wanted to validate your husband's feelings of feeling caught between a rock and a hard place. i'm a mom, and i also work in advertising, at an agency where there are both super-high expectations AND lots of people waiting in the wings, eager to take my place.
before i had my son, i worked all the time: nights, weekends, you name it. since becoming a mom, i constantly feel like i'm screwing up both at home and at work. at work, you just can't be the person who consistently says no, i can't stay late or no, i can't go on production or no, i can't take on any more projects. it will leave you extremely vulnerable, especially in this economy. just as in your situation, my income is our only income, and it's scary as hell to have that weight on your shoulders.
after changing jobs several times in search of a more family-friendly situation (which i don't think exists), i ultimately chose to take on a role that's pretty dull for me, but offers more predictability on the home front. it's depressing to see other people pass me by, but have to hope that eventually i'll be able to go back to working on stuff i care about. in the meantime, i'm trying to focus on the positives: i'm providing for my family and spending more time with my son than a lot of other parents who work in advertising.
your husband may be able to work less, but it will come at a cost. greater marginalization/vulnerability at work, maybe. or doing work that's not as great...which can also make him less marketable in the future, since getting new job offers always comes down to ''what have you worked on lately.''
it's tempting to consider a less challenging agency, but if your husband is on the more senior side (ACD or above), an agency that pays less or has lower expectations can actually end up being more stressful and time-consuming, since the work still has to get done, but there are fewer motivated/talented people to do it.
allllll that being said, your concerns are TOTALLY valid. i would feel the same resentment you do. i think you should try and approach the subject knowing that he probably feels equally bad/guilty/stressed/depressed about it, and discuss the risks versus the benefits of reducing his time at work.
again, i know you wanted to hear from people who were in the same situation as you, but i wanted to let you know that it's really, really, really hard on both sides of the equation. AdMom
It would be great if you could accept that your husband is and will not be available as much as you would like. In many ways you need to reframe your situation - you are a single Mom. Enjoy him when he is there as a perk and create your own life. Join or create a Mom's group (with some single Mom's), plan a regular weekly dinner with your kids and another family, plan vacations without your husband. It is more common that you think. Just don't plan on him being there. Make some more friends. Take the kids out to eat more. Your kids will not be young much longer and what a tragedy if you miss their childhood resenting the mac & cheese.
My husband is not available also. I choose to stay. It is not the perfect nuclear family but my life is full and rich. He is happier I'm not mad all the time. a Wife...
I would trade for your situation in a heartbeat. Have you ever lived with not enough or barely enough money? It's the worst. Your life sounds wonderful to me. The only issues you have are a little loneliness and perhaps jealousy of your husband's more social and exciting life. These are not difficult issues in the scheme of things, especially in a comfortable financial position. How about hiring some help for a few days or evenings a week and finding an interesting class to take or a social group to join? There are many moms out there who have to spend a lot of time alone with their kids -- you could try to find them via BPN, craigslist, Studio Grow, etc. and start a group, maybe trade off having dinners out or at each other's houses.
I think you should appreciate what you have -- a loving, faithful, and hard- working husband, a nice home, and a comfortable financial position. Sounds like a dream to me. My husband is a co-owner of a small business and works seven days a week, so I'm alone with my child a lot in a rental house where I spend a lot of time worrying about how we'll ever buy a house or pay for college.
I know it's extremely difficult that your husband is gone so much and I feel for you regarding that. But try to figure out how to make it work. Try to be creative about it. You are very, very fortunate to be in the situation you're in, and in my opinion you should be grateful and proactive, not just tuned in to the negative part. anon
My husband works long hours, and we went for years when if I saw him a couple of hours a day, that was it. Frankly, my advice is to accept it. At least for now. A couple of things may make your life easier. Is there a chance that as he gets more advanced in his profession and senior in his company, the demands will lessen? It may not be the right time to change jobs - but maybe thinking ahead a few years? If you have financial security, can you spend more on yourself, get someone to look after the kids so you don't feel so isolated? Getting a job, even if it creates more logistical issues, may help. Maybe lower your standards for parenting? You could be making it harder for yourself by thinking you have to be two parents. Kids are resilient. I will also say that it gets SO much easier when the kids get older. My relationships with my kids are very special, in part b/c I had that alone time with them. There's a silver lining - I actually enjoy having time alone without a husband to make demands on me.
I know I don't sound too sympathetic, I just feel like I had to face the same hard reality and it would have been better if I had accepted it earlier. It sucks when your life choices require compromises you thought you'd never make but sometimes you don't have good options.
One last thing - are you using the word depressed colloquially or clinically? If it's becoming a mental health issue, deal with that first and foremost - I found for a long time I thought the issue was my husband's hours but it was more complex than that. --Tough Love
hi, you might want to check out the book by mira kirshenbaum on ''our love is too good to feel this bad''--because, as some people have said, you do want more time with him because you love him and i'm guessing that being with the kids is not only work you want to share but a joy you want to share, with him. it is really hard, but if you two can come up with concrete things that he can do to make him more involved, you will both be happier...the book had lots of great suggestions. good luck, it sounds like it can get much better and will.... anon
I scanned responses, without intention to contribute. But someone has to say it... A nice house is not worth a good relationship. Period. On the one hand, thinking it does will make you afraid of reality, of change, of hope. On the other, it's a priority that will extinguish love, insidiously.
And this too: advertising is hardly a profession to sacrifice family over. I know that people burn with ambition, and selling is satisfying at a gut level, but these passionate feelings are cold as ice compared with family. To the person who posted, you already understand these things at some level, which is why your question exists. Let this understanding grow, and give it to your husband. You will strengthen your relationship as well as yourself. Brian
Hi Realize you recvd lot's of hits:)add my 2cents. Work is num.One priority in this house,I'm extremely grateful for the work.Some responses sounded judgemental albeit very good advice I needed to HEAR.Remember ''walk a mile in my shoes.''I love the money,but money doesn't make me HAPPY.My family and friends are far away,it's hard being alone ALL THE TIME.It takes time to develop a good support system.I'm from another country,took me FIVE years in transient land-ieBay area to have good friends.Try to talk to one of your close friends Daily.I get resentvle too.Alleviate some of that on'daddy's night' during week, any night that works. Grab a bite with friends or just exercise there's YMCA/late night Yoga.My dh takes wkend mornings, his childcare routine-morning breakfast,I try for one day on the wkend, mostly doesn't work out. You really have to lve house to get time for yourself-I Realize your goal is more family time.Taking turns with children's activities-not feasible,his schedule is crazy, I make lot's of home movies. Get out more and do more things.We drive over to fisherman's wharf for dinner.Eat out few times/week all the kiddie spots.We love the rain forest cafe.It's fun. I just have to accept the loneliness,create my own life,he's not going to change. If my husband worked less hours(less than 75)he'd be miserable.Enjoys being in his zone tremendously,all that excitement,in same breath tells me how much he misses us,work responsibilities are beyond his control.He's not allowed to work wkends anymore, although he just worked this SAT,that creates resentment. Like you, we have fought over his schedule, constantly.If you want to spend more time together,money not an issue get a good counselor.from Our experience u've got to go through about 5-6 to find a good match. It's really worth it.My husband trys to make time for counselling,always late/misses some. Counsellor reminds me to practice little exercises throughout the week discourages that resentment.Reminds him to walk a mile in my shoes.I gave up a beautiful exciting life,I too get depressed the more he works. Talking to someone will always make you feel better.Your kids husband need you happy, you have a good man like I do, they're really hard to find. Take good care of yourself joining Lonely Mom's Club soon
I'm a mom and have worked for the past 16 years in advertising. My perspective:
Advertising thrives on competition (especially Creative). There is a lot of ego involved too. The unfortunate result of this is the constant need to watch your back. Teams are pitted against each other on projects and the ''winners'' go off to produce work. There really is always ''someone in the wings.'' And that someone is probably 10 -15 years younger and will work longer days for 40-60% less. Advertising simply is not ''family friendly.''
This is not to say there aren't a ton of (mostly male) creatives with families. When I first returned from maternity leave, I complained bitterly to my husband about the ''ad guys.'' How could I compete? While I was running to the pump room and rushing home to tuck my newborn in, they hung out at the office endlessly and schmoozed over drinks with the bosses. I had one coworker (with 3 kids) tell me he came in on weekends ''to get away from the family.'' And another (2 kids/who I was competing against for a project) tell me he came in one weekend not to work, but because our new (male) directors were there. This caused me tremendous distress...
Until I got over it.
I decided for me, my family was more important than my career. Competing against the ''ad guys'' simply was not sustainable for myself or my marriage.
I now do work that is less sexy with less production. But, there's more management and I'm exercising parts of myself I hadn't before. I don't expect I will be able to easily step back into ''the good stuff.'' As the other ''ad mom'' said, you are judged on what you did last week. Oh well.
As I look at my life balance, this is where it needs to be.
It took me awhile to get here. It's not easy to shift from evaluating an agency/position based on ''what kind of work you'll get out of it'' to ''when you'll get out of work.'' I still give long explanations to fellow ''creatives'' for my current decisions (did I mention the amount of ego involved?)
I encourage you to speak up and let your partner know you are unhappy and that you need more (my husband told me this and I listened!) And seek a good counselor.
Ultimately I think having a family means sacrifices from both partners. [Funny when you choose to have a child you feel like you're ''adding'' something to your life/marriage - but it means giving up things too!] Good luck. Another Ad Mom
Full-time working mothers: How do you make it all work?
Jan 2005I am a full-time working mother of a toddler trying to find that work life balance. I have a wonderful job that I love and am good at (and make a great salary) with a good, understanding boss as well as a great, helpful husband who works closer to the house and helps out a lot with our child as well as the household chores and grocery shopping. We love being with our child but during the week have only an hour or two by the time we get home from work, pick her up at daycare, make dinner, etc. It is hard to do anything after work anymore (pre baby I used to meet friends for dinner, etc.) but we like coming home to be with our child. I am also tired all the time!!
But I just feel like I never have enough time for friends anymore and since our only real free time is the weekends, we have to make choices - do we see friends, run errands, just spend time as a family, workout, go out to dinner or cook at home??
How do you make it all work and fit it without giving up too much? We only have one child right now but really want a second and know it only gets harder. Are there working mom support groups (I was in a mom's group earlier but most were SAH moms so our issues were very different when we got together and I had less in common with a career) where you can get together with other full time career moms and talk about these things?
My husband and I both need to work and really like our jobs. I just want to feel like I have more balance as a working mom.
Thanks full time working mom
I don't have advice, but your letter could have been written by me, to a tee! I feel for you and would love to hear what others have to say on this. wr
My husband and I have been studying under a international speaker of human transformation and he says it succinctly and honestly, ''You can't have a pleasure without a pain''. It's a universal law. We simply can't have it ALL at one time. Something gets sacrificed.
So, you pace yourself, plan way ahead, you pay people to do your errands, etc. to free up the time you have to do what you really want with friends and family. A second child will make this very apparent.
I think it is so great you have a job you love. That is so important. If you are happy, your children will be happy. Staying at home isn't for everyone and don't let them tell you otherwise. Enjoy your job, your child, your husband and your friends. If you can work 30 hours instead of 40, go for it. anon
Being a working mother can be tough (especially in the beginning) but it is worth it, especially given your overall situation. Don't give up on your career. My kids (now in elementary school) are happy, well-adjusted, and proud of what I do outside the home. Finding the balance is a challenge. Your child must be your priority. Your social life, personal time will come back. It will just be different (motherhood changes everything). I don't know of any local working mother support groups (we just don't have that kind of time!), but I have reached out to other working moms through my office and I also subscribe to Working Mother Magazine (www.workingmother.com). Good luck and hang in there! a fellow working mom
It is tough, no doubt about it. The only way we've been able to work it out is by having one parent work slightly less than fulltime. I work 4 days a week. I have a friend whose husband reduced his schedule to 4 days as well while she stayed working fulltime. I spend my day off doing errands, grocery shopping, dealing with repair people, paying bills, etc. so we can spend more family time on the weekends. We also ''outsource'' as much as possible - we have a cleaning service every other week and a gardener twice a month - so we don't have to do chores we hate on the weekends. We don't do any social activities during the week. Our childless friends we really don't see much at all, but we try. We do see our other friends with kids a lot because that allows us to combine family time and friend time. We get together for game nights or picnics or other family activities. I would love a moms group with working mothers. If you start one, I'll join! Juggling Mom
Hello- I don't have the magic solution to the ol' work-life balance, but I started a group that might be of interest to you.
It is a play/support group for working moms and dads. We meet once a month, on the weekend, so the kids can have fun and be their wacky selves. We do things like potlucks, field trips to Habitot or the Zoo, etc. We also have some mommy and daddy only events like movies and moutain biking. The children are almost all in the official toddler range.
All of the parents work, in some capacity, and we all struggle with the ''do I go grocery shopping and buy diapers on Saturday, or spend quality time with my family?'' debate.
Check out our group and send me an email if you are interested: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/workingmoms-dads/
Good Luck! deniene
I completely share in your frustration! We have a 4 year old and an 18 month old and both work full time. The only friends I have in the area are co-workers and many of them are significantly older than me (I am 31). By the time I get off work and home with the kids I have to cook dinner, clean up, get the youngest off to bed, dishes, re-braid hair 4 year olds hair, and convince her to get to sleep!! My husband feels neglected and I feel like I no longer have any type of life and I secretly look forward to going to my office since it's the only time I have to myself. (Except when I lock myself in the bathroom.)
It would be nice if there were working mom's weekend groups. However, there would need to be a lot of members since I am sure other things will come up and people will not regularly attend!
You may also look into a play group ring -- I am not sure what they call it -- but I have read that some families alternate watching all of the kids. This would ensure you a full house perhaps once a month and 3 weeks of some time off for a date with the hubby or window shopping! jounjian
I am also a full time working mom with 2 girls 5 & 7. My short answer is that juggling parenting, family and work is somthing that changes from week to week and month to month. Some days I have it under control while on others I feel very run down. Personally I exercise everyday before everyone has to get up. That means getting up an hour earlier than my children and being ready for the day before I wake the family. I have a treadmill at home which helps. Exercise is the thing that keeps me sane and healthy. I try to go to bed no later then 10pm and earlier if possible. I am tired alot of the time, but exercise definetly helps. Next, I am learning to say no. You cannot do everything and somethings need to be put aside. Third, I keep our meals very simple and use the time to be with the kids (my 5 year old loves to wash lettuce and wash tupperware, so we talk while we are ''working'', my 7 year old will read to us too) It doesn't always work, but sometime kids just want you there, you don't have to be engaged 100%. By the time I get home and put them to bed, I feel as if I have worked harded than the entire day! But that is the way it is for now. Next, I also do errands during work (if I am out of the office I may have to stop by Target on my way back, for instance). I also do my weekly grocery shopping early saturday and my laundry on Sunday (and if I get it folded and put away I am way ahead). The point is, I need to have my responsibilities structured so that they get done, and then I can do the fun things. I suspect that I will struggle with finding the balance or juggling the responsibilities until my children have children, but these little things help me. Focusing on what is important is key and learning to give up some things (temporarily) helps. My job is flexible but demanding and I am my own manager, but somehow it is working (probably because that is the way it is). A few last thoughts, look forward to spring when the days are warmer and longer and you can go for a walk before dinner or take dinner to the park (can't we eat samwiches or have take out for dinner?). Have fun and laugh with your kids. Decorate your walls at work with their art (mine looks like an art center) and talk about your kids so they stay in your thoughts all day. Good luck and if you every get wind of a great piece of artwork of someone juggling, let me know, I want to hang it up. Susan
I think that women have been sold a bunch of hooey about having it all. In my opinion, you can't have it all, all at once and stay sane. Working part-time works for me. I can always pick up my career again, but my children will only be young once. anon
I am the single, full-time working mom of a preschooler. It is very easy to feel in a rut during winter. In my experience, it works to make plans for a couple of weeknights per week. Such as, Tuesday evening at 7pm I will run errands; Thursday evening at 7pm I will go to the gym; Friday evening we will have carry- out for dinner and go for a flashlight walk. It also gets easier when your child is a little older as well as during daylight savings when you and yours can play outside after dinner. --a mom
Are you stressed because of all the stuff you feel you have to do that isn't spending time with your kids? Household management, etc.? If that is the case, then you should stay in your job, and your family should use its money to outsource the household management. That way, when you are off work, you can 100% just be there with the kids.
How do you split the household and life work with your partner? Do they feel guilt and FOMO over the few hours you both have with the children?
I don't know your situation (maybe you're independently wealthy), but I would not quit my job because if anything happened to my partner or our marriage, I would be fucked. My best insurance and safety net, for myself and my family, is my ability to earn a living.
If you are sad and stressed now, and you value having an intellectual outlet and structure, I am not sure you would be more happy without a job. I think you may then just be differently unhappy. Maybe time to talk things through with a therapist?
Hi,
I'm sorry you are struggling and I can relate to much of what you said. My kids are 3 and 6 FWIW, and I do think these ages are noticeably easier than like a year ago at 2 and 5. Given everything you described, I would try to go part time and either take a day or two off a week or end my day very deliberately at like 2 or 3 PM if your employer can be flexible in that way. If they won't do it, then I think you should consider taking a couple years off to get through these more difficult years. I don't think two years out of the workforce is a big deal. It's very explainable and won't put you very behind. You've put in 5 solid years and it sounds like you'll be able to get a great recommendation from your employer or even go back there. You're really articulating a strong desire and rationale to be with your kids more and were I you, I would follow that instinct first however it has to happen.
I grew up in Latinoamérica. My siblings and I had a wonderful nany. It was other times and another culture where that was the way middle class behave. I have grown up kids and it was so stressfull to raise them here without real help and no family. You said you are financially stable, so if you have enough money, get the help you need, someone who will clean at least once a week and do your laundry . Someone who can prep healthy dinners that you can reheat or finish with the help of the kids. All that time that you don’t have to spend doing household work, you can dedicated to the family ( including date nights with your partner)
If you have the money, it is a matter of not feeling guilty and reorganize yourself with different set of rules…
Do not quit your job just focus on having quality time with the family.
Came to say the same thing! Caring for children, keeping your household running, and cooking for the family are three full time jobs in themselves. If your job's money is bonus for your family, use it to buy yourself time. Outsource everything- get someone who comes in for an hour daily and cleans so you don't have to do the dishes. Get homemade dinners delivered (I have loved food from Rachel Berinsky http://essberkeley.com/?page=contact). If you think your older kid would benefit from more time at home, hire a nanny or get an au pair who can let her hang at home more (this is what I've done for my kid, and it has gone a long way, even though I'm not with her for those hours). I am a way worse mom when I don't get out in the world and do grown up work and it sounds like you might be the same. Don't underestimate how much being a happy and fullfilled complete person makes you a better mom.
I agree with a lot of what the previous poster said. I don't think it's a good idea to quit a job you love just because you feel guilty about not spending enough time with your kids. If you have the resources, outsource as many non-kid related tasks as you can. Maybe more frequent house cleaning? Focus more on quality of time with your kids rather than quantity. What about the time you spend together as a family on the weekends? Probably a good idea to talk to a mental health provider about the source of your mom guilt and how to let it go.
If you feel your mental load between you and your partner is imbalanced, you might like to check out Fair Play (https://www.fairplaylife.com/). There's a book, documentary, and card game about rebalancing household chores and mental load in an equitable way. Even if you earn less than your partner, your time is not less valuable.
Nothing to add that would be helpful, but I wanted you to know that I am very much in a similar boat. In a perfect world, I would quit my job and spend time with my kids; and then once they “didn’t need me” anymore, I could just go back to work. Though I like my job, I love my kids and spending time with them more; and the only reason I’m still working is for my future self. But present self is sad and wants more time with these quickly growing, beautiful children. It’s so hard.
This might not be possible with your employer, but I went part-time during COVID and never returned to full time and it has been the best decision ever. I spend way more time with my child and know I can go back full time if I ever need to and I don't worry about intellectual atrophy. If you've had this career 5 years, your job likely knows how valuable you are (it's expensive to hire new people and have turnover!) and you can afford to get paid less (sounds like you can) then a part-time, remote, flexible job has pretty much been ideal for us in a similar situation. If they're hesitant, maybe you can frame is as temporary and then they can see how well it works or go from a "leave" of some sort where you're totally off (if you had a reason for that) to coming back part time and slowly let that be the situation. I know it's hard for some part-time people to create boundaries and they end up working full-time for less money, so you just need to know what sort of a "boundaries" person you are or make sure that you have specific "off days" if you struggle with this. This time is fleeting with our kids and I never regret having more time with my kid, but at the same time, it really seems like something special to have a work from home, flexible job that pays well, so I would do what I can to keep one foot in it unless you feel confident you could get something like that back someday.
Gosh, I can relate to everyone you said here. I too had a very specialized career, and I need a LOT of intellectual stimulation in general. Prior to having a child I always was completely independent from my partner ready to make it in the world solo. I had the choice to stop working when my child was born. It was an extremely difficult choice but I left my job and I am so happy to be having this intimate time with my child and extended family and friends that will never be available after the time is passed. My rare job setup will be difficult to find again, but unlike the childhood years it’s not impossible. This is such a personal choice and I am not recommending my exact steps, but thought I would lend my thought process in case it’s useful. Of course I miss using my brain amongst intellectual collaborators sometimes, but I’ve found engaging things to be involved with in my communities. I loving having the bandwidth to forge strong relationships with other families and bring people closer. I do look forward to returning to work but life is long and I am not rushed. I found my way to my niche career once so I feel emboldened that I can do it again (even though it feels scary. it was scarier the first time!). Here’s another perspective: I am from a culture where families go all in fully committed, and together they are stronger than each individual. We American women are bombarded with messaging that we must do it all, and do it independently, or it’s unfeminist or sloppy or a bad future investment. I am taking wisdom from both my heritage culture of collectivity and my born-culture of American hyper-independence and carving a middle path. It took my a long time to get here, but now I see there’s a huge amount of pressure for women here to be a certain way, and I was responding to that pressure unconsciously.
Have you considered working part time? I bet you have looked into this with your current employer—but if it’s not possible with them, maybe you can casually (in your ample free time) look around for a new job where this is possible.
I did this when I was also considering leaving the workforce and I’m very happy with the decision. I work 60%, meaning I get two days at home. I didn’t start the new job at 60%, but once I had the offer I asked questions to HR and other employees if they had other folks on part time schedules and if the company was supportive of that, and flagged to my future manager that I was interested to gauge her reaction. The first job they I could tell they kind of freaked, so I didn’t take that one! And the second time, everyone was super supportive. I certainly felt vulnerable asking any questions indicating work wasn’t absolutely my 100% priority at all times :D but the security of having an existing job helps with the bravery to ask about what you really want! I went down to 80% after 6 months on the job and 60% after returning from maternity leave with my second.
I find 60% is a great way to keep my career on simmer and still have time with my kids. I wish you the best of luck navigating this system that is not set up to support working parents!!!!
Can you ask your employer for a part-time schedule? I recently went to 20 hours a week. We still have full-time daycare, but I can pick up early or drop off late. It makes running the house, sick days and getting dinner on the table far more manageable. Plus I still get to use my brain and pursue meaningful projects. I've found employers are more happy to pay for fewer hours.
As a Mom I think it is incredibly common to feel guilt when you are not with your little kids. I know for me it was almost primal. But you can also recognize that your kids are loved, happy and well cared for. Part of the challenge is giving yourself permission to be a dedicated working mom and knowing that your kids will be fine. I always reminded myself that I was showing my kids a good example of a working woman and that was an important role model I wanted them to see. I get the sense that it is your mental framework that is making you unhappy, that you are punishing yourself for working. If you can change that framework it may give you space to decide what you really want to do more objectively.
Another thing to keep in mind is that your oldest is close to school age. In a few years both kids will be in school. What is your vision for those years?
Finally, I wouldn’t fear leaving the workforce for 2-3 years. I didn’t so I don’t have direct advice and you may not get the exact amazing set up you have right now but a short break shouldn’t derail your entire career and you have a safety net if it takes a little longer to find what you want.
If you put the guilt to the side - what is it you really want to do?
Hi - thank you for sharing your story.
My kids are now 12, 14, and 16. I have worked outside the home the entire time while we've been raising them - though I did take nearly a year off when each one of them was born (essentially therefore truly slowing down my career for 5 years - the two years in between I didn't do much). Here is how I navigated this - may be very different than what you're thinking - this is just one example.
My husband fully supported my career and we have been ruthless in splitting family responsibilities. At some point we used Fair Play products - but generally this is key. He also manages a really high-pressured career (works at start-ups) but prioritizes life at home.
This is all pre-pandemic - we needed to commute to work which also took extra time. I feel like having a very flexible job that you love is a dream and one that I wouldn't easily give up. My kids are all well-adjusted and doing OK. My career really took off where I am now at the top of my profession which allows me for much greater flexibility and autonomy. For example, my oldest daughter is at a dance camp at University of Michigan right now and she just texted me how she wishes that I was there for the final performance (this Saturday). I just cleared my calendar for Friday and will hop on flight to surprise her on Saturday and fly back home with her. I love that my two daughters have an example of their mom working and being completely independent - I would be able to take care of our whole family without and issues if something were to happen. I like that feeling. I like to keep growing and learning. I like to share that experience with my kids.
One other thing - the time goes by VERY fast. I think it's critical not to 'stop' life while the kids are young - whatever passions and likes and desires you had prior to the kids - they are still there. Kids will eventually leave (I only have TWO years left!) and I believe that having my own life and nurturing it while raising them is critical - having friends, focusing on my husband, my career, etc...these are my things and I am still a human with needs and wants and desires. These things need to get me through life overall. Otherwise kids will take everything from you and I don't know whether that's actually good for them.
I sympathize! Is dropping down to part time (even temporarily) an option for you? Many parents at my work place have done that when their kids are young (usually 60 or 80%), and I am planning to do that too when I return to work in a few months (I’m currently on parental leave). I’m hoping it will provide more of a feeling of balance. I know that it has been really helpful for some of the other parents I work with.
I struggle with all of this as well--and I don't know a working mom who doesn't, even those of us who love our careers. There are a few books I've read that have helped me a lot recently:
I Know How She Does It by by Laura Vanderkam - this is admittedly a book for a very small slice of the population, but I suspect that like me you're in it. It features real-time diaries of working moms in senior positions who make at least $100K and pulls out themes of how they effectively manage their time. Two big takeaways for me were 1) outsourcing (what can you pay someone else to do to take something off your plate--meal delivery and prep services for example) and 2) reframing (how can you think about getting in quality time with your children through daily life--involving them in chores, engaging with them during commutes, etc.). She also talks a lot about embracing your privilege and any flexibility you have in your job, which was huge for me... it sounds like you are aware of the flexibility you have but I wonder if you could be even more creative with it. It may be worth reading the book because there are a ton of examples of creative schedules.
Hunt Gather Parent by Michaeleen Doucleff - looking at how parenting happens in other cultures and the value of involving kids more in daily life. This was another one that was helpful for me to reframe the way I spend time with my toddler daughter. Like, I don't have to be playing with her to be spending time with her. I also allow myself to think of just being with her as spending time with her--oftentimes I will do my own project (reading, housework, a craft, etc.) while she works on an art project or puzzles in the same space as me. We engage with each other but each do our own "parallel play" so I get things done AND feel close to her. It also shared some good evidence-based reasons why kids spending time with non-parents in groups can be beneficial for them.
Burnout by Emily and Amelia Nagoski - exploring evidence-based reasons for why we feel burnout and how to effectively manage stress (and why the stereotypical notions of "self-care" through spa days and skincare regimes don't really work to manage long-term stress). Again this was a super-useful way for me to reframe why I feel pulled in so many directions and focus on how to relieve stress, which makes me better at managing my time.
I also find talking with other working moms to be helpful. Even though we all value our jobs (whether for personal fulfillment, saving the world, providing for our family, etc.) there are always challenges. In so many ways we are operating in an unnatural environment so relying on your village to commiserate guilt-free and share feelings is also super valuable.
So much of what you wrote I relate with.
Is part-time consulting in your current field an option? I started doing a side contract for about 10 hrs/quarter. After a year, I built enough of a relationship with the client that they gave me about 10-20 hrs/wk. I added a couple of others clients which give me 5-10 hrs/wk. I don't consider myself entrepreneurial at all, but I've ended up building my own business doing similar work that I was doing full-time previously. I don't earn as much as I made full-time, of course, but there is substantially less stress in the household when childcare is closed, camp starts an hour later, or unexpected things happen. I am no longer folding laundry or chopping vegetables while on work calls, and that's huge. We don't have family in the area and my partner travels about 1-2 weeks a month, so me being more present for my kiddo is invaluable.
If not part-time consulting, think about what other creative ways you can still be intellectually engaged and not lose all the hard work you put into your career while still being the parent you want to be. It doesn't have to be black and white, full-time or stay-at-home, there are options in between.
Do not leave your job! I would describe myself as similar to you (not enterprising, struggle without structure, semi-specialized job) and I have found re-entry (after losing that job years ago) to be incredibly difficult. Do not recommend. If I were in your situation, I would try to find a job based on your current experience that would allow you to stay in the workplace, but with fewer hours. Or, maybe you can negotiate with your current great job to move to a more flexible schedule, 4 days a week or shorter days.
Stay-at-home parenting has no structure at all. It is made up - 100% - of random and endless tasks on behalf of others that no one notices or recognizes unless they go undone. Yes, there is a unique opportunity to connect with your children during the extra time in the day. But the result of one parent having that extra time is that the parenting in the household becomes unbalanced between partners. Additionally, the kids often end up with a perception of the stay-at-home parent as being a kind of punching bag that they don't see in a position of respect in society. It feels very last century.
If you can do it, I would try working part time. It sounds like financially you can, but your company also needs to agree. I have been working anywhere between 80%-20% since my first was born 15 years ago (currently working 50%) and it makes life so much easier and more enjoyable. I have the intellectual stimulation and contact with colleagues, but also time for the kids and for me. I know that I am very fortunate to have a work situation that is really flexible and understanding and many companies don't. Perhaps you could find another similar job that would be OK with you working part time? (I work for UC which is generally more flexible than for-profit companies.) I tried not working at all but found it increased my isolation and I didn't fill my days with fun projects. I just got more stressed and depressed.
I am sure you will get many responses, but I will throw my experience in for your reflection. It is so hard to find something that gives one a personal sense of satisfaction, and it is great that your current position gives you that. I had a job I loved, a husband on the fast track to sr. executive a small child I loved more than anything, and a household that was a wreck (that impacted my family). I chose to get domestic help and keep my job. I was able to enjoy my daughter when I was with her and she learned that it was not just mom who could provide for her. I was able to not loose myself and since I was able to outsource all the domestic work to keep the house going (I never liked it anyway), it was the best of all worlds. It was humming along fine for 4 years till it was time for her to go to kindergarten. That is when I moved too consulting and was there to support her fully. Being expected to sit still for hours, navigating the social structure of a large class and having to prescribe to more of a schedule was hard for her and I did not want her in before and after care. It was very difficult giving up my job and when I reentered the work force full time 5 years later it was HARD! That was when I lost myself and became "so and so's mom" after being me for so long.
So what I want you to ask yourself is am I still going to be able to carve out time away from my family to be me, and will I be resentful for giving up something I truly enjoyed and got satisfaction from? Being a full time mom is really, really hard. Harder than outside jobs for sure. Realistically once you leave it will be hard to return. Good luck!
I think you should give yourself grace. It sounds like you are capable, loving and generous. I went through that phase and now my kids are a bit older and it does get easier. My recommendation since you love your work and your family is to defer or pay for all the other things that steal your time. When my kids were really young I had my housekeeper come twice a week (now once a week). She does the laundry. I started services like Farm Fresh to You and asked other working moms for other ideas for streamlining. This chapter is temporary. You’ve got this!
I was in your position 37 years ago except that I quit to stay at home. Our income was cut in half and I was looking at never having my dreams in life fulfilled. But I was in total love with my child, who I could see needed me, and I never looked back. I was unable to work in my field years later, partly because we moved overseas and partly because I had not kept up, and was in a field that really required being present more than 10 hours a day at the office. But I came to see that I was doing the work I wanted and was meant to do, and (dare I say it?) the work that God wanted me to do. Result: My husband and I both have an excellent and close relationship with our son. He is a success in his chosen field, and now has a son of his own (whose mother works). He's an excellent father in my opinion. I have zero regrets, and never really did. To me, your stress and sadness might indicate that some kind of change is needed. And I admit that I'm one of those who believe a mother belongs with her children. You're there to notice what no one else does, and act on it if needed. You're there to be the background from which they emerge and face the world.
Hi There,
I don’t have words of advice, but just wanted to reach out and say it felt like I could’ve written this post! I don’t have a toddler (only a 9 month old) but I am dealing with similar feelings of uncertainty and being pulled in two different directions and as a family we are struggling to find balance. We keep “waiting” for balance to come around the corner.
Long story short you’re not alone! I often wonder how people manage and if I’m the only one!
Best, Maria
Based on what I understood from your post it sounds like you should hire more household help so you don't have to make dinner, do as much cleaning, can have more quality time with your kids. This should cost less than not working. It sounds like your job is flexible and you could schedule more time to spend with your kids, you just need to outsource some of the other stuff.
Like the previous poster, I would highly recommend talking this out with a therapist. I had a similar job situation when I had my baby. I decided to quit my job to stay home with the baby for multiple reasons, but not without a lot of tears and many sessions of therapy going over my reasons for working vs quitting. I also expect I will find a similar job to the one I had, as I have seen several options come up in the last few months as I am beginning to think about going back to work and starting to browse the job boards. Ultimately, I believe I made the right choice and have zero regrets, but, I will say that SAHM momhood is not necessarily less stressful or sad than being a working mom. It is more like, the things you are stressed and sad about change. It is definitely worth a few sessions of therapy to discuss and go deep on! Being that your kids are already in daycare/school, it may be better for all of you to try to prioritize lightening the household tasks and deepening your connection with your kids with the time you have, without leaving your job first, to see if that helps.
A really great resource that I have turned to so many times is Nurtured First. The creator is a psychotherapist with experience working with disadvantaged communities and kids with autism/adhd, and she has a very holistic approach that is more action based than scripted. They offer a lot of great, free tips on insta and their podcast, and paid toolkits and courses on the website that prioritize connection with your kids, regardless of whether you are a stay at home or working parent. Right now they are running a special on their back to school bundle, which might offer some ideas for you to make the most of your time with your kids with the time you have. They are also based in Canada, so their paid resources are actually cheaper for us because of exchange rates.
Stay in the work force, stay engaged, stimulated, fulfilled which it sounds like your career does for you. My conclusion to these feeling that you describe so well, was the grass is always greener. To stay connected to my son I rented library books about working moms which he loved. Reading the children’s books to him he learned I’m always with him, he is always with me. I focus on quality time over quantity, thanks to my therapists advice. I asked my employer if I could work 4 days a week which gives me 3 days with my son (yes waste of money missing a day of childcare but sounds like you can afford it and your employer would be open to this idea too). I live with a little more mess; I ask friends for help with grocery shopping. Get creative. Your kids will see your resilience and your work ethic. Also who knows how many hours stay at home moms spend phones scrolling/posting while their kids watch you tube (I expect some push back on this) or feel resentful because they “gave it all up” to stay home with their kids. It takes a village and I think this should extend to childcare providers. Good luck!
Hi toddler mama, right there with you in the struggle and have two under four as well.
This is THE challenge for our generation of women, that misplaced thought that there might be a balance point where we are less stretched/ stressed/ more present/ more fulfilled… if only!
I know you know this, but it’s clear there’s no winning answer. Maybe just the best one for you right now. And then forgive the rest, the mess— it will change!
Especially if you are lucky enough not to have to let finances dictate your decision, I would suggest getting really quiet with yourself— or getting in good communication with a therapist or coach— and think through what feels the sweetest to you, what you could be most peaceful with, or if there is a different middle ground that might serve you and your family right now.
Could you be more happy giving more of your time to your kiddos? Do you need work to stay on an even keel? Could you be more part time? Experiment with leave? Let go of fear of what coming back to work might feel like if you let it go? What if it was a short year or two commitment?
Loved this May NYT essay on the matter— maybe it will spark something.
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/01/opinion/equivalents-radcliffe.html>
I’ll pull out the nut for you:
“Olsen ‘longed for an impossible life, one in which she could devote adequate time’ to both her work and her children, Doherty writes.’
As I read Olsen’s words, I thought about all of the mothers I’ve spoken to over the years, both as a journalist and as a friend, who acutely feel the conflict between mothering and all other aspects of life. They often take that feeling of tension as a signal that they’re doing something wrong — working too much or not hard enough. They don’t always think about the financial or structural issues holding them back. They’ll often see hurdles as personal failures and feel guilty about whatever they think they are giving short shrift.
But what if they accepted the tension as eternal? What if there will always be some feelings of frustration and exhaustion bumping up against the feelings of joy and everlasting love?”
Happy to bounce ideas further too!
My heart goes out to you!
But my vote would be to keep your excellent job and try to reduce the hours to 30 per week rather than 40.
Good jobs are hard to come by.
The preschool years are very labor-intensive for the mother who has a job. Our society does not make it possible to cover all the bases.
Can you pay someone to do chores? Have healthy dinners delivered?
Can the kids come home at 3 p.m. and have some 1:1 time with you?
When our kids were that age, I had a less-than full-time job. My husband would not agree to hire household helpers, so we lived in a messy house and ate a lot of take-out.
But I loved my job, and, now that I am retired, I love my pension from the UC Retirement System. The kids turned out fine, and our marriage is happy.
Hi, I'm 60 now and have young adult kids. You didn't mention whether you have asked to work part-time at your current job. If you haven't, you should!! I worked 50% time when my kids were little, then 75%, then 100%. This was great for me and our family (and I'm very privileged that this was possible for us financially).
If going part-time is not an option, you might want to hold on for a few years. I found that when my kids turned 6 they were much more independent, and I could get (some) work done while they were home with me. And then I also did some work at night after they went to sleep.
Hi! I just wanted to chime in quickly. I recently found myself in a similar situation, with a 1.5 and 3 year old. I ended up electing to quit my job and stay home with them, as I felt that I would always regret not spending time with them in their young years. I felt like once my son started school, I'd never get this opportunity again. So far, I've been so happy that I made this choice. I was worried about the structure element, too, but I've found that we have made our own structure/schedule, and it is working really well. Good luck with your decision, and remember that whatever the right decision is for you personally, is the right decision for them, too.
One thing I did also consider is that I didn't feel like my children were sitting at daycare thinking 'I really wish I was home with my mom.' The idea of staying home made ME feel better, but I don't think it was something THEY were necessarily missing out on if that makes sense. So if part of your consideration is guilt, I think you can let that aspect go.
I really feel for you, I was in the fortunate position of not having to work outside the home when my kids were young (not like we were living the lush life, we had no $$ for vacations, 'extras' or even college savings, but we were just able to pay the bills on one salary). I totally hear your work concerns, and they are all 100% valid. But here's the thing, your kids are only little once, and it all goes by so fast.
There's no guarantee that staying on the job means you'll always have one. I have several friends in their late 40s and early 50s that worked all through their kids school years and still got laid off or downsized and now are really struggling to find work as 'older' women.
It sounds like your gut is telling you your kids need you, and I felt that way too. I get that not everyone has the luxury of this choice, but if you do, I say, go for it. Our kids are almost all grown now and they are amazing. The time I had with them was beyond precious, and I know I was so fortunate to have been able to be there for them. If you want to stay active, volunteer! Be a room parent, sit on the school board, there are a ton of ways to keep your mind engaged and build community outside of work. I was busier when I was not working than I am working now. While some of the day to day is tough, it was by far the best time of my life, and without question the best job I ever had. Good luck to you!
Love the advice already shared: “Are you stressed because of all the stuff you feel you have to do that isn't spending time with your kids? Household management, etc.? If that is the case, then you should stay in your job, and your family should use its money to outsource the household management. That way, when you are off work, you can 100% just be there with the kids.”
If this is the case, get more regular housecleaning. Hire someone to prep and cook meals, grocery shop, do household management. Use a service like Honey Homes to deal with household repairs and maintenance.
Can you get more flexibility in your workplace? Move around hours, work from home, etc?
It sounds like you love your job, so I would try everything first to stay working. I’m a stay at home parent and - while I value the time with my kids - I miss working.
I worked at a big law firm when my oldest was younger, and I had a much more flexible schedule with my younger one. I still felt busy and overwhelmed, but spending more of my time with my kid and less at work did make me feel less "guilty" (I'm not sure it's the right word, but sounds like you know the sentiment) about not seeing my kids. In general with the kids, I have always regretted more the decisions that stopped me from spending time with them and not regretted giving up other things. Not because every moment with them is a joy (definitely is not), but because it feels important to me personally to spend time with my kids. Someone told me once that work will never love you back, which is true. I think different people have different values around this, better to make decisions based on your own values.
FWIW I did not find it at all hard to take a year off and then have good work fall into my lap, especially because I didn't need it to be a full-time job. My husband was stay at home dad to my oldest when I worked at the law firm, and he also seemed to transition easily back into the workforce. (He works in IT. First went back part-time now full.) It's hard to self-evaluate, but my opinion is this worked for both of us because it is actually quite difficult to find good workers in any field, so if you are good there will always be work for you once people realize that. Especially if you already have a solid resume, which I definitely did after spending ten years at the law firm.
My husband for different reasons was thinking about leaving a job that was otherwise perfect to be around the kids more. Rather than leave he had a good and open conversation with his employer and they found a solution that works for everyone. You might want to try having a similar convo with your work.
It’s amazing that you have a job that you love, and at the same time I totally get the feeling of missing out on time with the kids when they’re small. I had a very similar experience, but with less flexibility as the main breadwinner. Luckily my husband was freelancing and flexible, so it made sense for him to do a lot of the stay at home parenting, which he enjoyed and was good at. We did have our older toddler in a small in-home daycare, but it was minimal, and when our provider was suddenly unable to remain open at the same time as I was on maternity leave for kid number two, I was unexpectedly in charge of both kids. (My husband leaned more heavily into the freelance at that time). And I was surprised how much I enjoyed it! And I was sad to go back to work. Which, again, made the most financial sense for my family. I had a nice long (for the states!) maternity leave, and when I went back it was part time for the first three months after each maternity leave. So that helped. But I was sometimes still jealous and sad, and just wanted more time with them. I wound up using vacation time for regular shifts volunteering at their various schools as they got older.
This may be all way too much info. But I wanted you to know you’re not alone in this. It’s normal. And it’s time to get creative! What seems like the best option in your situation is to cut back on your work time. That way you’re still plugged in, just not as much. Can you negotiate to 50% time for the foreseeable future? This time when they’re small is precious. You’re in the enviable position of having some decent choices. I would not fully get out of the workforce as I agree that getting back in, unless you’re super motivated, can be challenging. Keeping a foot in the door (to me at least) feels much easier. And I have always wanted my kids to know that having both parents work was normal. Just as it’s normal to have a stay at home parent. But you love your job. That’s important! My kids are now teens, and we parents work full time now. But we’re glad we figured out ways for one of us to be not full time for several years back then. It’s not always easy. But can be worth it! Good luck figuring things out.
I had two kids in 20 months and decided to pause my career and don’t regret that decision to this day (they are grown ups now!)
It is just time that you will never, ever get back and if you can afford it (sounds like you can) I would personally recommend it.
However- please note it is exhausting! Going into a job is actually easier for many but you wont feel continually torn, pulled in different directions, guilty etc.
Regarding re-entry. I started back part time when my kids were 4 and 6. Part time was actually ideal as I was ready to do something that was not completely kid centered.
I think that many companies are getting less judgmental toward women or men who have been out of the workforce to raise families.
Good luck.
Hi! I hope it helps you if I speak to my own experience as a SAHM (a term I hate, TBH—I generally call myself a full-time parent, which feels more accurate than “stay-at-home.”) Like you, we’re incredibly fortunate that my partner’s income is enough to keep us afloat, so even though a second income will be welcome when it happens, it has been a viable choice for me to be a full-time parent while our kids are young. When our first was born, I had just gotten my graduate degree, but I didn’t have enough time to actually enter the workforce before our kid’s birth. Then, once our first was well transitioned into school, our second was born, so I started the full-time parenting clock all over again, and it’s now been 8 years since I obtained my degree (that I’ve never actually used for paid work). My kids are now 3.5 and almost 8.
It’s hard to summarize how I feel having made the other side of the choice you seem to be facing, but I’ll try.
It’s true that your kids are really little only once. In that respect alone, I will never regret that I’ve gotten to have this time with them. I will always have been there in their most dependent and most formative years, and I think that has been both really good for them and has also kept me really… honest about my parenting. I don’t know if “honest” is quite the right word, but what I mean is that my kids have really SEEN me as a parent, day in and day out—capable, frustrated, patient, impatient, playful, exasperated, joyful, all of it. During school breaks or when each of the kids was too little for school, we often spent entire days together, from wakeup to bedtime, with all of the mundane errands and negotiations and meltdowns and apologies and hugs that a single day entails. I got to participate in a parent-teacher preschool coop with my first kid, and am now doing it again with my second; it’s an invaluable opportunity to participate in the life of my kids’ preschool, and many working parents don’t get to do it. I get to become close friends with my kids’ friends’ parents, some of whom are also full-time parents and are available for after-school play dates where we grownups talk while the kids play, etc.; many of our current closest friends are fellow preschool and elementary school families, because unlike my working partner, I’ve actually had time to form relationships with other school families.
My kids don’t spend a full grownup’s workday at school or in someone else’s care; they do play dates instead, or come home and chill after school, or we go on hikes, or run errands where they get to see that household stuff doesn’t get done by magic elves. (The downside being that I do have to run errands with the kids in tow, which is sometimes fun and often not fun.)
Full-time parenting has kept me humble. It’s brought me an immense amount of joy and pride. It’s brought me to my knees. It is hard, hard, hard work. It is definitely not for everyone. Many days, it is not for me. And on many other days, it’s the thing I will always be most grateful for.
It is also incredibly demeaning that it is unpaid work. I’ve often thought about updating my resumé with “Full-Time Parent” as my current job, with all of the actual duties enumerated, for the next time I need to present my resumé to a potential employer. As long as full-time care work is unpaid, it will be undervalued—by everyone!, including by your own co-parent, unless you remain REALLY vigilant about this not being the case. There’s just no getting around how unequal the emotional/financial balance becomes when one parent does paid work and the other does unpaid work.
I’m looking forward to doing paid work again in a year or two; I’m looking forward to bringing in income, and spending concentrated time doing work that doesn’t revolve around care of my kids. I will never get back the professional opportunities I’ve lost. I will probably need to be creative around self-directed projects, freelancing, etc., rather than trying to reenter the workforce through a more traditional route (which I know isn’t an option for a lot of folks); again, it helps that my partner’s income can keep us afloat even if I don’t fully recover professionally.
The opportunity cost can feel so high, no matter which way you go. I guess my advice is to choose, and then to go into your choice wholeheartedly, giving yourself every chance to appreciate the great gains and losses of this time in life. Good luck, fellow toddler parent!!!