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Moving 13yo to the South Bay to join my new husband
June 2011
I have a 13 yr old son and am thinking about moving from the south bay to berkeley to live in my new husband's home. I'm waiting until my son completes middle school. I have heard that a move to a different town to live with a stepfather may breed resentment in my son. While he and my husband like each other as an uncle type relationship my son is understandably unhappy with the idea of leaving friends. I'm concerned that my son will blame me and my husband for making this move and be miserable to live with throughout high school. I do have a choice to stay in the south bay but would prefer to combine households which would give me more time to parent without the distraction of work and work-related travel.
I know each circumstance is unique but does anyone have a sense of how well or poorly a teenage boy will adapt to living in a stepfathers home? Ps. No other kids are involved. Thanks for any insights.
My recommendation is that if you really do have a choice here, don't move and make your son relocate his life for high school. Hang in there a few more years and do it once he is grown and off to college or capable of living on his own if he wants. My ex and his wife did that and I am convinced that it really was best for our children. Especially our son who was the only child at home as his sister had gone off to college already. Or why can't your husband move to be with you and your son? High school years can be difficult enough for moms and sons without a kid having to start a new life...my $.02 grateful to my ex and his wife
Moving to Spain for a school year
Dec 2010
We are thinking of moving our family of 4 to Spain for a year abroad. Both my husband and I have jobs with enough flexibility that we could make it work. We'll have a 10th grader, and a 4th grader. The 10th grader is currently a freshman in the IB program at Berkeley High. Does anyone have any experience with or insight into this kind of move, from what kind of school to enroll the kids in, to what Spanish city to live in, to tips about renting out the Berkeley house for a year. We're interested in Barcelona most of all, but we're still researching. Our kids don't speak Spanish well enough (at this moment) to go to Spanish schools, but if there were some recommended institutions we could start them in intensive language lessons now. Thanks for any and all advice. hopeful mom
Do it! We spent an academic year in Kenya when our kids were 9 and 13. It was hard on the 13 yr old, but I am still really glad we did it.
I wanted to be sure they kept up with their math, so I found out what textbooks they would be using and bought those to bring along.
One small suggestion is think ahead about all the holidays you will miss and bring along a little something to help you celebrate in an American way (a box of birthday candles, a pack of Easter egg dye if you celebrate Easter, etc)--keep these items as a surprise.
We rented out our house and it went very well. It was stressful because it wasn't lined up until just before our departure, and I started finding all kinds of paid services to list it, but in the end it was craigslist that worked. have a great time!
We took our high schooler to Italy during Sophomore year. Worth it but socially it was really difficult as their students' grasp of English was poor. Also the teaching methods very different, lots of rote learning; student had to memorize physics lessons by heart in Italian,etc (on the plus side English was a breeze). Also not much break in the grading; and one of the teachers had some problem with student and didn't believe in grading easier. The big impact was in the grading. They, as in other European countries, used a 1-10 system, where a 10 is a kind of Super-A, of which very few, or none, are given out in the school year. Our student received eights and sevens, similar to A and B grades, but her Bay Area High School interpreted them as mostly Cs because they insisted 10 was an A, 9 was a B and 8 was a C, and it lowered a straight A average in High School and then grade point average for college admissions. (Someone had mentioned this before we went abroad but I didn't pay much attention to it, thinking we could contest the grades, and we tried but...) There were private English-speaking schools we could have tried, but they were expensive. I think she would have actually made good friends there and gotten better grades. The advantage of sending her to the local schools was that she learned to speak the language and it was affordable. I still think going abroad was worth it, but had I really realized the social and college consequences of attending a local school, I would have done things differently. Been There
Moving back to Japan - leave teen here to finish school?
Nov 2010
We are from Japan and we have a 14-y.o. boy. There is a situation where both of us, need to move to Japan.
But we aren't confident that our son can be adjusted to the new school environment in his new country. The high school here is already a challenge to him and he is behind in classes. While he speaks Japanese, he would have to learn new classroom vocabulary , new style of teaching, literature and history of Japan, etc. We thought about enrolling him into an American school, but they seem to have a high academic standard and they may not let him in. The extremely high tuition is another problem.
There are host families for foreign exchange students. We are wondering if a similar arrangement can be made for kids like him who want to finish high school while the parents need to move to other countries. TK
I wouldn't leave my child behind with anyone. Leaving him behind isn't going to help him get caught up with school. Can you get the home school curriculum from your local american school district and tutor him while you are in Japan? If not, maybe you can get a tutor in Japan to tutor him with the local lessons? My advice, take him with you and let him do the best that he can. Anonymous Mom
Twenty years ago our friends faced moving their children from the US to Japan. They had been living and working in the US, and both children were born in the US and had begun schooling there. Their children were much younger, but were already culturally not able to fit into the Japanese schools that they would have preferred. Instead, their daughter ended up graduating from an American high school in Japan, and the son from St. Mary's International School (I just came across his graduation announcement). Both graduated from US colleges, and are now cosmopolitan young adults, comfortable living in both the US and Japan, as well as other countries for shorter stays. Lots of value from transnational education
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I lived in Tokyo for 11 years so I understand what you are going through. You don't say if you are returning to Tokyo or another area of Japan. A couple possibilities to consider: 1. Have your student stay in the US at a boarding school. This option may be expensive. 2. There are many international schools in Japan beyond the American School in Japan and they all don't have academic requirements as high as the American School. Some have large numbers of returned students such as your son. Some offer financial aid. This website lists many schools http://www.tokyowithkids.com/fyi/international_schools.html. Check out www.kaischool.com. If that doesn't work for you because of geography, contact them for advice. 3. Some areas such as Nagoya have special programs for returned students. Understand what you are going through
Have you considered a US boarding school? The idea of leaving a high schooler on his own (or with a family you don't really know well) who is already struggling just sounds like disaster waiting to happen. Many boarding schools have international students and are used to that extra layer of support and oversight. One to consider that would be closer to Japan is Hawaii Preparatory Academy (HPA) on the Big Island of Hawaii that has day and boarding students. It has great academics. JV
2 teenage sons and a move back East
April 2007
For many years my husband and I have discussed moving back to the East Coast to live closer to family. It has taken a while to work it out so that he can remain with his company. We finally have that piece worked out, but the problem is we have 2 teenage sons. Our oldest will be in 10th grade in the fall and the youngest an 8th grader. California is the only home they have ever had, but they do love hanging out with their cousins and grandparents on the East Coast. While I have always wanted this move, I am suddenly very apprehensive, especially for my older boy. Can anyone shed who has either experienced this themselves as a teen or who has moved teens far away shed some light on their experience? I would greatly appreciated any words of wisdom. Thanks. marti
My family moved me from California to the Suburbs of New York when I was 13. It was very traumatic. It might be easier for boys and yours are a little older so it might be fine but it was very difficult for me. The East Coast is VERY different than the West Coast and making new friends in High School when cliques are already formed can be tricky. It was freeing in some ways because I could reinvent myself but I also lost the grounding history I had and had to quickly learn to navigate a whole new culture and social structure at a time when I was still learning who I was. I also did not want to move and hated the freezing winters so if your boys are on board it might go more smoothly. I definately blamed my parents for several years. Wouldn't move my teens
Many centuries ago (1968, to be precise), my parents moved from the Bay Area to a town that shall remain nameless (okay, it was Winnetka, Illinois) in the summer before I started my junior year in high school. It was probably the worst year in my life, even though (we had been a military family until 1964) I had been used to frequent moves/new schools/etc. During that year, I would have given ANYTHING not to have moved. In retrospect, it probably made me stronger (although also, some might say, emotionally distant) but ... IMHO, what you should look at is how similar or different the area you would be moving to is compared to where you are now. In 1968, suburban Chicago and the Bay Area were different worlds. Here, we had Mario Savio and the Free Speech movement at UC; there, I was ostracized on day one for the horrible faux pax of wearing white cotton socks. Really! As you can probably tell, it still rankles. Maybe nowadays the differences aren't as great, but if you're blue state folks moving red state, it could still be challenging. Of course, if you're talking about moving to Boston or Providence or something like that, it might be no problem -- and, if you're moving to the same town as the cousins you mention, it would certainly help to have built-in connections rather than being a complete stranger. I guess one other thing I would mention is the difficulty a young man can have getting to know girls in a new town. That, I expect, has not changed over the years. I would ask your older boy (and the younger one too) exactly how they feel about the move. Not to say they should have a veto power, but they should be willing participants and not conscripts.
In response to the mother who was considering the effect that moving her teens across the US to the East Coast, I would have written earlier, but we have so much to do out here in the East that I have been very busy. We moved almost 2 years ago from Berkeley to Frederick, Md ( 45 minutes Northwest of Washington DC ) because Bechtel Corporation moved their last remaining divisions out of San Francisco to join other previously displaced divisions.
Having never considered leaving my family in California or wanting to relocate to the East Coast, the move was a difficult choice. Our two oldest children are in college and working, so didn't even consider leaving California. BUT--- the people are friendly here, with a good mix of liberal and conservative, rural and urban, churched and non churched. The country side is breathtaking, and spring and fall have new meanings here. We did however have to make a few modifications in our lifestyle to feel comfortable here. We bought a house in the country surrounded by farms which gives us a 10 minute commute to work. My son goes to a great public high school. We joined a church in Washington DC that was recommended by our Berkeley friends, and that means that each week in DC after church we can choose a gallery in a Smithsonian Museum or one monument to vist at a leisurely pace. We can drop into the National Zoo or walk the National Mall. One Sunday we decided at the last minute to go pay tribute to Gerald Ford as he lay in state at the Capitol Building, and protest marches are every other week.
To keep our son busy we also joined Scouts, and found him a good music teacher at the local community college. He has been in the marching band - which is so not Berkeley High, but does get to be in the Jazz Band spring semester. He does miss his friends, but we flew him back to visit with them, and he does IM and phone talks. He felt that going from having 2 siblings to none was a little on the oppressive parent side, as in too much parental attention, so we hosted a student from Costa Rica for year through AFS. That gave our son the chance to share some of the wonders here on the East Coast and evened out the adult/teen ratio. Public transportation is horrible outside of DC and the roads are not well suited for biking or walking, so we do drive much more than we did in Berkeley.
After two years of being an East Coast transplant my son has a job at the local pizza place, is doing great in school, volunteers at the local baseball stadium, plays basketball with the neighbors, has made many friends around the county and in Virginia and in the District. We've had lots of new opportunities here, but still feel that California is our other home. I recommend moving with your eyes wide open. I decided that I was going to like my new home and put in the energy to find new delights. Best wishes and come visit! Ellen
13-year-old and unexpected move across the country
November 2002
i am interested in hearing from parents who have had to deal with unexpected moves to another state (one side of the country to the other). specifically, ideas on how to approach a 13 year old girl who is very happily settled with her current life and set up. thank you
we moved here from Michigan when our daughter was a Junior and we did hear many times, then, that we were going to totally ruin her life.... and i must say that it was really hard, she had an awful time adjusting to Berkeley High but there was no option for us.... except the one of a friend offering to keep her there through the end of high school which i did not want because i felt that i would lose her right then.... instead of when she went to college. looking at the whole experience 4 years later.... it was a hard moment but absolutely worth it. yes, you'll have a hard time seeing her miserable for a while but life goes on.... we did give her unlimited phone calls and plane tickets to go back to visit & it made her feel a lot better and in the long run did not cost us too much! good luck! catherine
My parents moved while I was in college. I think it depends on the child and the relationship you have with your child.
I was envious of friends whose parents had preserved their childhood bedrooms and kept all of their things. I was envious of friends who never experienced moving. I felt a sense of loss but at the same time, I was excited to spend time away from parents and stay with friends, do internships, travel, etc. Staying with my parents was literally the last thing I wanted to do when I was in college. The world was large and exciting and being with my parents felt stifling. I felt held back with parents. It was something I felt duty bound to do. If I had a choice, I would have spent the entire summer without seeing them. I felt tremendous sense of growth and adventure when I was out in the world with friends.
During my young adulthood, my parents moved again, downsized and shipped my childhood related things to me saying that their new place didn’t have room for them to keep the items. They wanted me to decide whether to keep or throw away as they were my items. That stung.
We are thinking about moving once our youngest is off to college as well so I understand the basic plan. But it does seem like moving in early 2025 then wanting to come back in summer 2025 is unnecessarily complicated. Why not just plan to stay in the Bay Area through summer 2025, have your child "home" one final summer (and have them help you prep the house for sale!), then move for good? Allow your then-adult child to make their own summer plans for 2026 and beyond.
We're in the middle of implementing a similar change. Our child is off for their second year of University in the UK and we are moving to Europe in a few months. Our kid has a lot of close friends here and is feeling untethered with the impending sale of her childhood home. She also has lots of offers of places to stay each summer but we've agreed to come back to the Bay area for the summers if that helps ease the transition. Sabbaticalhomes.com has been the best for this type of sublet. We lucked out and found a very nice house in Albany and it looks like the family will be open to doing this each year (or possibly a house swap) There's definitely some guilt involved in the process but I'm also not feeling like this is a terrible thing that we are doing to our child. We don't see ourselves staying in our current home and in California forever. I'm not sure there is a perfect time to do something like this and I'm curious to hear from people whose parents moved while they were in college.
A million changes often happen after the last kid leaves for college. Maybe it's not ideal to move then, but my ex's parents moved when he left (3rd kid) and he survived. He spent summers working near his college, or spent time with friends in the old hood. He spent very little time at his new parents home, ever again - we are now old and they have since passed away. I can attest that he never spent more than a few days with his parents from that time on. IMO this is something to consider. I know a couple of people who are selling their homes this fall as soon as a kid leaves. I know people who are staying put but immediately making the kids room into an office, or renting it for extra income. All that to say, the kid will be okay if you explain everything kindly, visit plenty, and find ways to support them so they don't feel like the rug was pulled from under their feet. The last thing you want is a college crisis. Good luck.
I honestly think that unless your kid is a pretty uniquely a-typical person, while they might have a few feelings about your move, they will be fine.
You should be open and honest with them about your plans, and make sure that they understand what that means for their summer well in advance. Make sure they understand whether there's room for them in your new home, but don't over think it. I visited my parents but didn't come home my first summer -- it was really cheap to sublet in the student co-ops, and I was content.
I would talk to your kid about what you're wanting to do and what they think they're going to want.
My parents moved away from my hometown while I was in college (at Cal) and I really did not mind. But I was a senior, had my own off-campus apartment and was pretty well established in Berkeley by that time. I'd lived at home for the summer following my freshman year at Cal but never lived with my parents again after that, just visited for holidays etc. When they moved, I had to go through what was left of my things at their house, but it already wasn't my house, or my home city, any more, you know? I certainly never had any desire to live in my hometown in some place other than my own childhood house. My sibling was a college sophomore when our parents moved, and after she graduated she did live with them for a couple years; but as far as I know, she was perfectly okay with doing so in a different place than our hometown!
So, my take is that you are probably overthinking this. Do discuss it with your child, don't spring a move on them without notice, and make it clear whether and to what extent your decisions will be influenced by their preferences. But they will be okay. I do agree that if you are contemplating moving in the spring but returning to Berkeley for the summer, it's hard to understand why you wouldn't instead delay your move until Fall 2025. Surely that would be less expensive as well as a lot less hassle, and it would allow your child to spend the summer after freshman year in their actual childhood home, which to me seems much better than spending it in a strange place that is neither their home nor yours, even if it is in their hometown. Plus, that way you'd probably have your child's help with packing and prepping for the move, at the end of the summer before they return to school for sophomore year. Which should help them with the transition emotionally, as well as be of practical assistance to you.
For what it's worth, my husband and I have lived in the same house since before our children were born; the kids are adults now, and neither of them came back to their childhood home after their respective sophomore years, either. Only for the summer after freshman year. My younger kid is still in school, and still in on-campus student housing, so it remains to be seen whether she'll ever want to live here again, but -- although she will always have a home with her parents if she wants it -- I don't expect it. I would not advise you to plan to spend every summer for the next three or four years living in a Berkeley sublet; it's really not too likely that your child will want to do that or appreciate it.
Funny, I never considered that while I was a young adult. I always knew that once I left home, I won't be coming back and that I would take care of my parents as soon as I started making any kind of money.
I come from the former Soviet Union, so "home" is far away and non-existent. My parents spoiled me by the Soviet standards (I never had to cook or wash my clothes before I moved out of their apartment), but I was surprised how much more spoiled the American teens are. Even people in their 40s complain about how their parents are at fault for whatever problems they are having. They seem to never grow up.
I came here when I was 19 years old on a tourist visa with a small suitcase thinking I wouldn't stay long. I was almost done with my college in Moscow (three years out of the required five). I didn't speak English that well and left a boyfriend and friends back there. But, I ended up staying due to the political situation (military unrest) back home. I transferred what I could to a college here, took as many classes as I could at a time and got my bachelor's degree in two years. All of that while still learning English. I had to record lectures for my classes to replay them back in my dorm room and translate what I didn't understand.
I brought my parents to the US once I established myself here. They left almost everything behind when they moved here but managed to bring a few sentimental mementos from my childhood that I still keep. I never felt bad about losing my childhood room or home altogether. As someone else here said, you may be overthinking it. If your kid wants to see their friends, they will figure it out. I now have friends in multiple countries and manage to see them if I want to. Not a problem. As for feeling wistful, that's not a bad feeling. You don't need to save your kid from that especially now that they are no longer a kid.