Teens Out Walking Alone

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  • Hi Parents

    We live in the hills and would like to move to the Berkeley flats, within a few blocks of Ashby Bart in the near future. We have 3 daughters in their early to late teens and worry for their safety if we move. 

    Before I go any further, I will clarify that I am a social worker, and have served unhoused populations in my career. I am not a suburban snowflake, in fact I grew up myself in New York loved it. One of the reasons we would like to move is so that our daughters learn to navigate being independent and meeting more diverse people (we are people of color). I want systemic and structural changes to ensure everyone has a home and universal basic income, I am not demonizing sick or unhoused people with my question. 

    My girls have experienced sexual harassment from boys and men already, a number of times. At school and just existing in the world. I know that moving to the flats will open them up to being exposed to much more crime, how do parents living in South Berkeley deal with this? What measures do you take, what do you tell your you kids? How do you feel about them walking or taking transit alone? What am I not considering?

    Would we be trading in safety for convenience and life skills? Does that even make sense?

    Thank you for any advice and wisdom you can offer!

    Have you considered N Berkeley Bart neighborhood? 

    All young women should take self-defense training. Talk with daughters about different harassment scenarios and how to handle them. Normalize so they can be aware & know how to recognize but also not be scared. Share your own experiences. Empower those young women. 

    We live in West Berkeley near BART. The plus for your daughters is independence if you live near transit. We did give rides after nine or so at night. What my daughter learned was some bus stops are better places to wait than others. She did face some problems but more at the central library and near BHS than in the neighborhood. In my experience parties are much more difficult to negotiate than anything else most teens encounter. 

    In a way the decision is about what risks are worth it to you. Being able to get around on your own is an invaluable skill, and makes it possible to go to college anywhere. 

    We're closer to Dwight than you are looking, but I've never felt unsafe walking home from North Berkeley BART at night. 

    When we were house shopping in 2016, we did consider the existing character of the neighborhood and how much we would be contributing to displacement by moving in as a pair of white professionals. I think that is worth taking into account. 

    That said, ...

    Ensuring that your house is secure isn't rocket science. That doesn't have to mean living in a fortress, but you want windows that lock properly, etc. Don't advertise your pricey electronics. When my kid got a PS5, I definitely reverted to my NYC-living ways and kept the box inside until the morning of recycling pickup. 

    The kind of predatory, random attack that you're probably more worried about can happen anywhere, and has definitely happened in the hills recently, so it is good to have some general street smarts, wherever you live.

    I suggest some basic ground rules, like calling from BART after dark (like, within view of the station agent) and not being embarrassed to ask for help if you feel scared. Trust your gut. 

    • Don't wear headphones after dark, pay attention to your surroundings. 
    • Nothing in your bag is worth dying for. Your shoes are not worth dying for. 
    • For years I carried "mugger money" -- a ten or twenty wrapped around a few ones that I could hand over to avoid having to give up my wallet. 
    • If you're not sober, you're not in full possession of your faculties and it's even more important to make sure you're safe. 

    I opened the door last week to a teen who did not know me and knocked on my door because she was lost and scared and her phone was dead and she thought someone was following her. She did the right thing. She could see people bustling around inside from the street and decided we were probably safer than trying to find her way alone. 

    This is a tough one … I commend you for your strong leadership in your family.  In todays world, there are so many variables that come into play.  Our world is unstable with global warming, crime, unexpected weather events etc.,, getting to know a new community in the midst of all this is a lot for a family.  Unless you are passionate about moving, I’d stay put.  Life throws many curveballs, and staying put can have great lessons too.  

    Is there a way to expose your family to diversity another way?  I’m a health care provider and see ALOT of what can go wrong in life.  Filling that bank of safety, security and love is easier in the hills.  Having your car broken into for the next drug run… there are other ways of creating diversity.  Fill up your family bank so that you can catch unexpected life curveballs head on with dignity.  Count your lucky stars- most people down on those flats would love the life you’ve created.  Just my take- best wishes whatever you decide!!  

    I have lived two blocks from Ashby Bart for decades. Like many neighborhoods it has undergone the trends of the times, from the crack epidemic of the eighties to gentrification, reinvestment and fending off developers. I also have two ten-year-old twin granddaughters who are frequent visitors. Like you mention, the neighborhood is very conveniently located for walking, biking, using scooters, buses, and Bart. Kids need more opportunities to venture out on their own to learn the independence we enjoyed in our youth. I am teaching the twins how to ride the buses to get around. We can take Bart and the Emery-Go-Round. I see junior high kids taking their scooters to Williard. I see some young children walking places in pairs. Of course when you check Megan's list, it seems really scary, but many of those offenders appear to be really old and haven't offended in a decade. Perhaps it means more vigilance and neighborhood involvement than the hills does, but I understand that flatland homes are very desirable for the above reasons. Hope this helps.

    You may already be familiar with Gavin de Becker's work, but if not, I highly recommend The Gift of Fear and Protecting the Gift. These are both good reads. The latter is oriented toward parents and those who care for kids, as I recall. Your girls (and you) would benefit greatly from the first book, again, if you aren't already familiar. The material is important, at times counterintuitive, and relevant no matter where you live, but it's especially relevant if you're navigating areas where there are predators. And there are so many areas where women and girls must deal with predators!

    I have lived near Ashby BART for decades, and there are some gritty urban realities.  Urban basics like  Keeping your eyes off your phone, earbuds and phone put away are kind of essential.  Take a class in self defense (step 1 and 2 of which are situational awareness and getting away).   A couple members of my family have been mugged or beaten over the years so we tend not to walk around at night,  we avoid having nice things and try not to be vulnerable.      On the upside, we have some pretty great neighbors and local shops and I am happy knowing them.  

    My family lives in West Berkeley, closer to North Berkeley BART than Ashby, near Dwight. Our daughter and son have both spent their teenage years in the Berkeley flats, getting around on foot, on bikes/skateboards, BART/bus. Our daughter was a high school student pre-Covid and while she experienced some harassment (she was followed and verbally harassed while walking around the Berkeley flats a few times and harassed in downtown numerous times), our son who is a high school senior now has had more negatives experiences (mugged in downtown, aggressive behavior from seemingly unstable individuals numerous times in the flats and downtown, and almost hit by red light runners a few times in our neighborhood). Our son rides BART every day and while he is comfortable with it, I do wonder about how it is affecting his stress levels given what he experiences (pretty much every day he has a wild story to share). 

    I totally get what you are thinking about--I feel that my kids can handle themselves really well in urban settings and have great street smarts. That said, our daughter had a few friends who lived in the Berkeley hills in their teen years but went to school at Berkeley High and hung out in various neighborhoods in Berkeley, and I don't think that living in the flats gave our daughter much more in the way of awareness/street smarts than those kids. She could get around more easily without driving, that was true, but they all spent time navigating Berkeley and BART together.

    One thought that came to mind after I read your post is that you want to think about your individual kids--how's their anxiety level? Maturity level? Any other mental health/physical health issues going on for them? Because while it can certainly be a good thing to get kids comfortable with a more urban environment, I think it does take a toll. I've been thinking about this more and more lately, as I feel that it is taking a toll on me and that in my elder years I will need to live somewhere a little less chaotic ;)

  • I know this is an age-old issue, but after raising two girls, my son's behavior is new to me.  He's nearly 16, and generally a great kid.  But lately he has an inflated sense of bravado, and sees himself as somewhat invincible.  He's already asking to be able to walk around town after dark, once the weather changes, and real school starts again.  I'd actually be ok with him DRIVING home in the dark, from school or a friend's house, (no license yet) but in our area, walking just seems risky.  He's an athlete, and seems to think his physical strength would protect him if someone were to try and mug him.  But the fact remains that he's a kid, and he'd be walking in the dark, alone.  Tips about raising teen boys with false bravado?  Thanks.

    You don't say where you live so maybe there's a particular concern about your neighborhood or nearby neighborhoods. Otherwise I don't see a big problem with a 16 year old (of either gender) walking alone after dark. especially once it's dark at 5 pm! I would definitely review with him personal crime prevention strategies, and maybe verbally run through some scenarios that might occur.

    What you might also want to do is enforce rules about him letting you know where he is, and a curfew, which to me is the bigger issue. You don't want him out all night.

    I don't see this as a gender issue; some kids are risk takers and some are risk averse. My son is much more risk averse than his sister. It is rough. I have to say that the fact that he's ASKING is probably good, rather than just sneaking out and doing it,  and is pretty different from my parenting experiences of this phase!! I also was both more risk averse than my daughter, and grew up in a city with 24 hour transportation, no one drove, and people were out and about in a way that isn't true of the east bay at all. My hunch would be not to overreact at this stage; maybe he's just talking it out with you? Looking for ways to figure out what is actually safe? Quarantine is pretty rough on teen brains that desire novelty and risk and independence. It's also true that I needed to talk with my daughter once she was 12 or 13  about the dangers of walking alone (at night or during the day), as she would get catcalled, etc.

    Freaking out (in my experience) doesn't ever help. Discussing strategies for what would happen if you did feel in danger, how to avoid being vulnerable, and making sure they'll always feel OK calling you at any time for any reason were what I found got me through (and are getting me through...)

    Is wanting the walk around after dark the only "risk taking" that he is engaged in? Our 14 year old frequently walks around after dark (short distances, but still). I don't see a problem with it at all, honestly, and I don't think it's false bravado for him to want to walk home after dark. 

    I recommend reading Dan Siegel's book "Brainstorm," about the teenage brain. It explains that many behaviors that mystify parents are perfectly normal, and based in evolutionary and physiological realities.

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So much depends on where the school is. Basic rules -- avoid eye contact on the streets, avoid conversations with strangers, sit near the front of a bus, stay with friends -- and he'll quickly learn when to feel comfortable and when to be on guard. But in general, try to put aside your anxieties and think of this as great practice for when he's living on his own! City mom


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Hi, We have a 16-year-old daughter who feels comfortable walking around Berkeley with friends and alone. She has a fair amount of independence during the day and we feel comfortable with that. In the evening her Dad or I walk or drive to pick her up when she is coming home alone after dark.

She wants to be able to walk home from a friend's house -- just a few blocks away -- by herself after dark. We want to encourage independence but we're also concerned about safety. She does have the local Berkeley 911 number programmed into her phone and we talk with her about being aware of her surroundings, not using her ipod, etc.

We are in North Berkeley, which is pretty safe but certainly not crime-free.

I'm wondering how much independence other parents allow their teen daughters, specifically walking around town in the evening/after dark. concerned mom


I get your concern. No matter what you do, there is a risk. If you let your daughter walk at night a few blocks there is a risk of a problem. If you don't let her walk there is a risk of over-dependence and an unnecessary delay in her ability to act for herself. We also have a 16 yr old girl, and do let her walk home in the evening in our neighborhood, which is in the Richmond Hills. Weighing on this decision was our awareness that children need to find out about the world and learn to operate more independently as they reach their mid to later teens. Letting the bird fly


My husband and I have strict family rules about our daughter, 15 1/2, going out with friends. A young girl walking around without a responsible adult is at real risk of being hassled or attacked, especially at night. Before we gave her that freedom, we had our daughter complete a teen self-defense course through Kidpower and highly recommend them. We allow her to go to the Cal Campus/Telegraph Avenue area or Emeryville's Bay Street Mall during the day if she is with a responsible friend. We do not allow her to be out after dark, unless she is with a responsible adult. At first, we told her to be home by dark, but that led to too many arguments about when dark is. Now, we tell her what time she must be on BART, which changes with the seasons. If she is not home on time, we ground her. Nancy