Transferring into the Berkeley School District

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  • I’m wondering if anyone can share recent experiences transferring to the Berkeley district from Oakland. Kiddo will be entering TK. I have a handful of questions, and maybe you have other thoughts as well. 

    * I’ve read that BUSD is under enrolled and has room for more students, so accepts transfers. True? False? True for TK specifically? An option for future grades? 

    * Is there any consideration given to the fact that our family members who do much of our afterschool childcare live in Berkeley? 

    *  How does the district handle absenteeism from transfers? Can you lose your enrollment spot for missing too many days? We have family care obligations that mean our kiddo will likely miss more TK than districts prefer. I’m not worried about them missing academics at this stage, but I wouldn’t want to lose our enrollment. 


    * is pursuing this a good idea? My observation is that people basically seem to like all the Berkeley schools, while our OUSD options are much more variable. What considerations would you take into account? (We live near the border in North Oakland so the commute to most Berkeley schools isn’t any worse than some Oakland options.)


    Thanks for any thoughts/perspectives! 

    Having existing childcare based in Berkeley is a reason you can request an interdistrict transfer into Berkeley. Under Berkeley's interdistrict transfer policy, your child cannot miss more than ten days of school during the school year or the interdistrict transfer permit may not be renewed the following year. This is in part because California public schools are funded based on attendance, so every day that your child misses costs the district money.

    On a separate note—please, please prioritize getting your kiddo to school. TK and kindergarten are foundational years for kids and set the direction for their education for years to come. That may mean looking at the school closest to you so that you can arrange for carpools with neighbors or other strategies to ensure your child can attend when you have family obligations. If you really feel that you won't be able to have your child attend regularly, you might instead look at preschool options that will be more flexible. Many schools offer programs designed for TK-aged kids.

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  • Does anyone have experience applying for a transfer out of Oakland and into Berkeley for 9th grade, under a special program qualification, specifically IB (ie BIHS)?

    Given that BIHS doesn't start util 10th grade and isn't a guaranteed placement, I'm having trouble discerning whether it's actually possible to base a transfer request on it. It looks like for a special program request, you need to have the director of the program at your desired school sign paperwork indicating your student would be able to participate, but of course BHS doesn't sift students into learning communities until into their first year. However, OUSD does not offer an IB program...

    Thoughts? Thanks for your help!

    We went through this process in 2023. We were zoned for Oakland Tech, but our 8th grader is an accomplished Spanish speaker who was interested in the IB program at BHS. We had heard that the year before (2022), 9th graders who applied to transfer to BHS for the IB program were told they had to wait until 10th grade. But we applied anyway, and to our surprise OUSD released us immediately. BHS was also more than happy to fill out the paperwork for us, even though they couldn't guarantee our child a spot in the IB program. That part was easy. 

    Chatting with other families who did the same thing this past summer, OUSD let them all go too. So... I don't know what's going on or why things shifted?? I also don't know if that will happen next year or not. It's deeply confusing. Best of luck to you!

    Considering that not even every bhs freshman who wants ib can get into ib I’d say it’s a real long shot they would allow students out of Berkeley to transfer in for that reason.  Additionally bhs uses a lottery not gpa to determine who gets into IB.  It was a sad realization last year that my 9th grader with straight A’s and an interest in college study abroad could not get in to IB.

  • My son and I live in El Cerrito, he attended public school here through Covid and definitely fell behind. We were offered almost a full scholarship to a private school with very small classes and jumped at the opportunity to get some extra support. Said school unexpectedly announced its closure two days before the holiday break. I had all my son’s required documents uploaded to the Contra Costa District Website within 24 hours and headed to Korematsu to confirm his placement. I found out the school is full and has a waiting list and was offered a document to take down to a jr high in Richmond. Instead I put in for a request to transfer to the Berkeley School district because I own a small business in Berkeley and my son has friends at every middle school in Berkeley. Someone from the Contra Costa transfer office called me on Friday to confirm they had all the necessary documents and they told me they thought it was unlikely that Berkeley would accept a mid year transfer and recommended I get my son enrolled in the virtual school Contra Costa is still offering. I woke up this morning and felt crushed at the thought of my socialite child sitting at home in front of a computer again… I watched him deflate over the course of the pandemic. I know it’s a completely different outside world and he would be able to spend lots of time with friends outside of school hours but it still makes me want to cry. No kid who lived through that should have to do that again… yet the idea of having to drive him across Richmond to a school where he knows no one also doesn’t feel like the thing to do. Has anyone managed to get Berkeley to accept their student mid year? Where is the line between persistent advocacy for my child and crazy mom? Calling? Emailing? Showing up at the school? Thank you for any advice!

    Did you also file the form to get released from WWCUSD? That’s the step that needs to happen first before BUSD can process your transfer paperwork. If you’re a business owner in Berkeley, you should have a good case. Mid-year transfers are possible as long as your home district releases you and there’s space in Berkeley. And no, you’re not crazy. Just doing what you believe is best for your child! Good luck!

  • Hi all,

    My wife and I are starting to research Spanish immersion schools for our Spanish-speaking daughter. (Getting an early start; she's only 2.) We hear great things about Sylvia Mendez in Berkeley, but we're not zoned for the school as Alameda residents. We know there's an 'inter-district transfer' process, but we're trying to gauge what the odds are. The school is very competitive even for Berkeley residents, which makes me think we shouldn't think of it as a viable transfer option. Do any folks have relevant knowledge or experience with this?

    Thank you!
    Alejandro

    I'm assuming that Berkeley residents would have priority over out-of-district transfers, and I know that Sylvia Mendez always has a long waitlist for kids who aren't native Spanish speakers. We started as #4 on the waitlist, rose to #1 after the first few weeks of school, and then never got in. So if you're in this group, I'd say VERY unlikely.

    The lottery is split into three groups: non-native Speakers with no family background (see above), native Spanish speakers/English language learner (i.e. kids who speak Spanish better than English), and heritage speakers (i.e. kids who may not speak Spanish fluently but come from a Spanish-speaking family background). Kid in these groups are much more likely to get in, but I don't know if they are undersubscribed enough that they have space for non-Berkeley kids.

    I'd suggest looking at the immersion schools in Oakland.

    Remember that before you even have a shot at it, you need to meet the criteria for a transfer—most common way is that one of you physically works in Berkeley full-time. Assuming you do meet that, the odds still seem slim; most people we know with transfers were placed late in the enrollment season after residents. Even if you were to move to Berkeley, there’d be no guarantee since it’s a high demand program. I’d look for other options.

    It's true that if your child is not monolingual Spanish-speaking, the chance of getting into Sylvia Mendez is slim to none. Berkeley residents get placed before inter-district transfers are considered, and many Berkeley residents never get off the wait list. There are always more spots for monolingual Spanish-speaking children, so if that's the case, you can try to have her tested as monolingual. Getting interdistrict transfers into Berkeley is a difficult process itself, so it may make more sense to stay in local schools.

    I would be shocked if you got in as an intra district transfer.  My understanding is that generally works better when there are schools that have open slots.  There is quite the wait list for sylvia mendez so I don't think it's going to work.

    I hope others will be able to answer about Sylvia Mendez but if you're looking for Spanish immersion and doing an interdistrict transfer, consider looking at OUSD schools as well. There are quite a few and many are good options. Ones that made our list were Melrose Leadership Academy,  Manzanita Seed, International Community School and Greenleaf. Our kids ended up at Greenleaf and it's been a good fit. We're Oakland residents so I'm afraid I can't guide you on the transfer, but it's good to look at all the options out there. 

    It’s hard to transfer in as a non-resident unless you work in Berkeley. Based on the experience of a family we know, even if you work here there’s no guarantee. And then if you are accepted, you’ll fall last in priority in terms of school selection. 

  • We live in a rental in Berkeley and have two daughters in first grade in a BUSD elementary school. Our landlady has put pressure on us to vacate the property, and so we have begun to look around for housing. (I know our rights as tenants, but this is a different issue.) My sense is that we are probably priced out of Berkeley and will need to move to Oakland. What happens if we want to keep our daughters in their current school? What is the process like? How soon do we have to notify BUSD if we move to Oakland? My understanding is that we would have to apply for an out-of-district transfer for the following school year, but what about the current one? What is the likelihood we can keep our kids in their current school through the end of elementary?

    Any advice appreciated!

    You would apply for an interdistrict transfer--for this to be permitted, OUSD has to release you and BUSD has to accept you. Continuing in an existing school is a reason that a transfer can be requested and approved, so your chances are solid (but no guarantee). For the current school year you should have no trouble; the gamble might be to keep the transfer for the upcoming year, but it is definitely something both districts have approved for families in the past. I would also consider where you might move to and how convenient (or not) the commute would be, though.

    Hi, I do not have direct experience with the inter-district transfer process, but I can tell you that right now enrollment is low, so I don't think it will be very hard to get one for the next few years. I also believe that they would try to keep your kids in through elementary, at least, for continuity's sake. Best of luck!

    The next time you have to actually prove residency with Berkeley would be middle school. Maybe you can get a PO Box for temporary while you look. I think  once you're in a current school  you are OK but dont know for sure. You just want to make sure you're getting mail from the school, so even a friend's Berkeley address might work. But for middle school you definitely would want a real Berkeley address or transfer. We actually live in Berkeley and they did a home check.  Good luck! 

    Our experience is that Oakland is more expensive than Berkeley.

  • How hard is it to get approval for an inter-district transfer out of WCC, and how hard is it for BUSD to accept it for high school? Should we even try? My kid wants to attend BIHS if he can get in within BHS so it’s a specific program the HS we are zoned for does not have. That’s the reason for the transfer request. What has been your experience with these two districts granting such transfers? Advice appreciated. Thank you. 

    It sounds like you are in good shape for your release request. We have an authorized transfer (from WCCUSD to a different district) and cited a program not offered within WCCSD. We had no problems with the WCCUSD transfer office. However, I don't know how open BUSD is to receiving transfers. Looking forward to the answers as I also have a WCCUSD child who wants to go to BHS (in a couple years).

    Hi, there. My information is pretty old - and I see another responder who has more recent experience, nevertheless... Our late BUSD middle school coach tried to transfer his kids into BUSD from WCCSD a few years back. The transfer was approved from the BUSD side (he was an employee of the after school program), but WCCSD wouldn't release the transfers. So, no go. 

    Another important consideration is that BHS Independent Study - which is a brilliant program - does fill up; they have limited openings. So, if you do get the transfer approved from both sides, there still may not be room in IS.

    Best of luck.

    I have no first hand experience as a transfer but I have kids at BHS. BUSD's enrollment is down 6% thanks to  horrific distance learning last year and those students haven't made their way back to the district. I don't know about the numbers at the high school - it feels as crowded as ever. You don't mention your son's age. You may know this, but BHS does universal 9th grade and at the end of that year, they rank which small school they want. It isn't a guarantee, although from what I understand, BIHS is pretty easy to get into. 

    BUSD, like most CA districts, is hungry for students, so it's definitely worth trying. 

  • how likely is it that my child from a neighboring affluent district be granted an interdistrict transfer in to Berkeley High for the 21/22 school year? We've got no circumstances (no job in Berkeley, none of her family went there, etc) that would put her in a position to be admitted over any others who were applying. She's having a rough time in her district with feeling very different and some bullying in the past. She wants to be somewhere else and her mental health is suffering. She comes to Berkeley and feels at home there. Thank you. 

    In the last year or two, everyone I know who applied on time to transfer from Albany to Berkeley was accepted. I think Berkeley is like a lot of districts with declining enrollment and associated budget problems, which usually makes districts more friendly to transfer.  What I don’t know is how the pandemic will affect this.  Districts will receive funds based on 2019-20 enrollment again next year but not after that, so I don’t know how long-term the thinking will be.  I also don’t know how the push to keep classes less crowded for covid safety will interact with the budgetary drive to raise enrollment.  

    I think it’s really hard to know. With COVID, BHS may have seen a drop in enrollment and might be granting them. BHS is so huge tho - 3200 kids - I don’t see her feeling more at home there. Just because she likes Berkeley doesn’t mean she’ll like Berkeley High. It’s a bit of a zoo. It can be really hard to find your place. I say this as a mom of a current BHS student. 

    Currently enrollment is down in BUSD schools. I think usually they are impacted so it seems that now would be a great time to try for an intradistrict transfer. 

  • Hello all,

    I'm helping a family with the paperwork for BUSD inter-district transfer application process, and would love insight and advice from this community.  This little girl began in the BUSD district at 1.5 years years old in an early intervention program, and has been in the district ever since. She has major medical challenges, including over a dozen surgeries, ongoing speech therapy, and is currently working with the cranial-facial team at Kaiser. She has a group of friends in the BUSD that she has been in school with since kindergarten, who will all be moving on to Willard Middle School. The parents needed to move to Oakland for financial reasons, but are hoping to apply for an inter-district transfer to allow their daughter to remain in the BUSD and enter Willard Middle school with her cohort rather than put her through yet another emotionally challenging event like moving to a new school in the 6th grade, where she would know no one. Would love to hear from any parents who have navigated the inter-district transfer process at BUSD recently (At Willard Middle School in particular!), both about the process, and any advice they might have. Thank you!  

    I applied for and got an inter-district transfer for both of my BUSD kids after we had an owner-move-in eviction and had to leave Berkeley. I stressed over it so much! And then after months of fretting over trying to get guidance from the BUSD website I went to the Admissions office in person (and might have wept a little, full disclosure) and everyone was as nice as pie and I got great assistance/information. The district knows they are losing families to the housing crisis and I've been told (by a school board member) that one of the categories they consider when looking at interdistrict transfer requests these days is displacement due to housing expense. Also, for what it's worth, for other families facing this: after a year in BUSD with our transfers, we moved the kids into WCCUSD schools, where we now live, and they are doing just fine. For our middleschooler especially, Korematsu in El Cerrito has been way better than King was. Go figure!

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We have a Berkeley address, but we pay taxes in Oakland

Dec 2012

i am seeking advice or comments regarding the petition process for attending a berkeley elementary school. we have a berkeley address, but we pay oakland taxes. when we moved to our house, i was told we could choose between berkeley and oakland schools. i don't think this is the case and don't want to use another address that is not our own. our closest neighborhood schools are berkeley schools. our community is in the berkeley schools, we could walk instead of driving, and we have been longtime berkeley residents (20 years) until moving to this house 2 years ago. i am hoping i might be able to petition for our child to attend one of the berkeley kindergartens, and am wondering if anyone has successfully done this, and would welcome any specific advice or recommendations for increasing the likelihood that it might work. we would be willing to start mid-year, to find out last-minute, etc. anonomous



I asked a similar question a couple years ago. I live near the Claremont Hotel where many homes have Oakland services but a Berkeley address. I have been very happy with our assigned neighborhood Oakland school, Kaiser.

Kaiser has API scores higher than Berkeley elementaries and has achieved California Distinguished School status. It is a manageable size and has a diverse student body, a charming facility, accomodating before and after school care, enrichment opportunities and a devoted parent base. Above all, it has dedicated teachers. The OUSD has significant challenges with its large and ecomomically disparate population, but this school works. It is where our taxes go. Those planning on private elementary education should also consider this fantastic school.

FYI, BUSD assignments are through a lottery based on zones, not convenience to your Berkeley address home. Berkeley address, Oakland services


 

Move to Oakland, Stay in Berkeley schools?

Aug 2009

 

We are in the process of looking for a small starter home to purchase, and although we don't want to leave Berkeley, we can't afford to buy here. We're considering moving to North Oakland (Temescal) where houses are more affordable, but are concerned b/c our children go to a BUSD elementary school that we love. My husband does work in Berkeley, so I've heard we can get an inter-district transfer. How successful are these? Could our children stay in their BUSD elementary school if we move to Oakland, or is there a chance they would be ''kicked out''? What are our chances of being allowed to attend a BUSD middle school or Berkeley high in the future if we move to Oakland? I've heard this is very possible, but would like to get more input from more people. We love Berkeley and feel very much a part of the community here, but are tired of paying rent when we could buy. Bye Bye Berkeley



It is quite difficult to obtain an inter district permit. They were once freely given, but because of pressure from Berkeley residents and the class size limit requirement, they are generally denied. You can always try. Deborah



Most telling in your post is your closing: ''We love Berkeley and feel very much a part of the community here, but are tired of paying rent when we could buy.'' The reality is that your higher expenses of living in Berkeley pay for that wonderful school you have your kids in. By moving to Oakland and keeping your kids in Berkeley schools, you are by-passing the funding of the education of your kids and foisting it on those of us who pay the property taxes that make Berkeley schools work better than those in your ''new'' neighborhood. As a person who would be paying high Berkeley property taxes for you to benefit from something you will no longer be paying into, I think you should suck it up and put your kids into your ''new'' city's schools and help make them the equivalent to Berkeley schools. -willingly struggling to keep Berkeley public schools so good



My advice? If you want to go to Berkeley schools and really feel part of the Berkeley community... either buy here or continue to pay rent to your landlord who is paying the property taxes that make the schools what they are. A Berkeley Parent and Taxpayer



We are trying to decide whether to stay in Berkeley or move somewhere else. Part of that decision is whether our kid could stay in the Berkeley public schools he attends. When I called the school district, they said that our kid could continue to attend his school if he weren't a problem student (basically). In addition, our younger kids could also go to the school he is going to. The woman also said that they could all continue to go all the way through high school. She said that of all the stuff she said, the last one was most likely to change.

This information is about a year old, and we didn't get it in writing or anything, so you might want to call the school district office and ask again.

You should think about making a donation to the school to help pay for things that additional property taxes do. Anon


 

Transfering from Albany to a Berkeley dual immersion program

Nov 2008

 

We are one block away from the Berkeley border, and would like to spread our options out a little more, and want to at least try for an inter-district transfer. Did you try it? Did it work? Any chance whatsoever of getting into a dual immersion program? We would be looking at Rosa Parks, Jefferson or Thousand Oaks, since those are the closest to our home of the BUSD schools. They also seem to offer a lot of after- school enrichment programs which Ocean View does not. And the school day is longer by at least an hour or so. Any insight?



Your chances of getting into the dual immersion program are slim to none if you are an inter-district transfer and your child is not primarily Spanish speaking. Also, you would not have first choice of schools and your child may be assigned to a school on the other side of town. Also, your child's space in a Berkeley school is not guaranteed from year to year (as I understand it - check with Francisco at the BUSD placememnt office).

So, go for it if you want, but at your kid's age, having a great elementary school that they can walk to with their friends may be WAY more important than driving them everyday to a school across town (even if it does provide a longer day). Also note that the Albany elementary schools (I believe) have before and/or afterschool care for kindergarteners. Anon


 

Transferring to a Berkeley middle school from another district

Nov 2006

 

I would like to know about the public middle schools in Berkeley, especially King Jr. School. We live in a different school district but are thinking of transferring our 5th grade son. I work in Berkeley, and maybe there is a chance of being accepted (?). If anyone knows something, even just a little bit about schools' curriculum, teachers, students, etc., I would really appreciate if you can share it with me. Thank you.
one mom



If you send your out-of-district child to the Berkeley schools, you should consider making a substantial donation to the PTA. One reason the Berkeley schools are more ''desirable'' is that they are better funded, because of many years of extra taxes, and serious PTA fundraising. This is a separate pot of money than the money that comes from the state for each student. Since it is a property-tax, more students mean that the money needs to be divided more ways. So, when out-of-district parents send their children to the Berkeley schools, if they can, they should help make up this difference. Of course, this would be different if the whole East Bay were funding the Berkeley Schools.



King in Berkeley is considered to be a good middle school. Most folks who have public school elementary kids in the King zone are very glad to send their kids there. My friends who have or have had their children at King like it very much. I hear the principal is great I understand that the classes are strong, that 6th grade starts earlier than other grades, that 6th grade kids go from class to class together in a group, that the food/garden class is amazing, that the math program is very good. Some kids who were in dual immersion in elementary school opt to send their kids to Longfellow Middle School as it has a dual immersion emphasis for a portion of its classes. Folks whose children go there say great things about it, too. I do not know much about Willard. There may be a growing trend in the Berkeley School District to take a closer look at transfers into the district and into verifying addresses, especially as kids enter Middle School and High School. It was a big item during this fall's campaign. So if you want to try to transfer in to BUSD above board, then go ahead and work with your home district and BUSD to try it. I do not recommend trying to sneak a kid in under a false address cuz, as I said above, things are likely to get far more intense very soon with address checks. You may not want to subject your child to that. However, if your child does get in, please make sure you contribute a bunch of money to your school and/or the district since you will not be paying the higher Berkeley taxes. Thanks in advance for doing your share! signed - Berkeley resident, tax payer, BUSD PTA contributer, and ''Yes on A'' campaign contributer.



In response to the question about middle schools in Berkeley; I have taught at two of them and know teachers at all three. In general, the teaching staff at the middle level in Berkeley is exceptional in terms of the level of professionalism, dedication and heart. But, it can be hit or miss with classes because there is a significant percentage of the student population that can be difficult and disruptive. If the teacher is skilled at managing behavior, the class will run smoothly and learning can take place. If the teacher struggles with this, and it can be challenging depending on the mix of students in the class, learning can still take place, but the student will have to work harder at it (to ignore distractions and peer pressure to fit in.) After 10 years in the district, I am thinking of moving on because I am tired of dealing with the negative behaviors and I would send my son to private middle school rather than expose him to some of the more outrageous behaviors that he will inevitably see in some of his classes in public school, Berkeley included. That being said I know lots of students who do well, go on to do well in high school and college. I guess I am just biased because after all of these years, I find the negative behaviors to be pretty discouraging and would rather have my own child surrounded by polite and respectful peers. On the other hand, it is a slice of the real world and I haven't really witnessed anything that would make me feel that a child would be physically unsafe at either King or Longfellow.

There is a misconception that King is the place to be. Check out the other middle schools as well. In my opinion there is not an appreciable difference between King and Longfellow. King MAY have a slightly more cohesive teaching staff, but Longfellow has many dedicated teachers and is smaller which, to me, gives it a more respectful feel amongst the students and teachers really communicate across subject areas there. I don't know as much about Williard but have met many great teachers there. I think King, being in north Berkeley has acquired this great reputation, but in my opinion this is based on either subtle racism or "classism". I just don't see the difference between the schools. King does have a fantastic cooking and garden program, thanks to Alice Waters, but Longfellow has a nice program as well.The curriculum in the Berkeley schools is great, from what I can see and rivals that of any private school; it may even be better than at some schools ( for example, I visited St. Paul's school and felt the curriculum did not appear to be as dynamic as that in the Berkeley middle schools). So, that is not the issue. For me it is ALL about the social atmosphere, not the academics. And the social atmosphere is mixed.
Hope this is helpful.


 

Using the Allen Bill to transfer to Berkeley schools

I have called the Berkeley School District re the idea that if one works in Berkeley, one can send one's children to the Berkeley public schools. This is unfortunately not exactly true. There's something called the "Allen Bill" that says people should be able to put their children in school near where they work. However, Berkeley doesn't fall under that since the district feels that any child from anywhere should be able to attend the Berkeley Schools (whether their parents work here or not). However, the catch is that you must get an "interdistrict permit" (which I'm told is easy to get) and then APPLY to the BUSD. For Kindergarden, and maybe some of the lower grades, this would be IMPOSSIBLE since the classes are so full from class-size reduction. (Smaller classes, but a shortage of teachers and classrooms.) It has been several years since they accepted a single out-of-district kindergardener. Leah

 


 

Transferring from WCC to Berkeley schools

July 2002

 

I would like some advice about the ease or dificulty of transferring from one school district to another. My 4 year old who will be attending elementary school in one year, but I would actually like for her to attend school in Berkeley which is closer to work for me. It would be so much easier for me to take her to school and pick her up. Traffic is so bad along I- 80 in the afternoons, I doubt very much that I would make it int time anywhere. I live in Hercules, and would be transferring from the West Contra Cost School District. Does anyone have any suggestions? Is this even possible? Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. jeannette



To the mom asking for advice on transferring out of district. I currently have my daughter transferred out of WCCUSD into Oakland Unified for the same reason - work is closer and after school care is easier. What you need to do first is contact the Transfer Office in Richmond at (510) 620-2124 to get the necessary forms sent to you. The folks at this number in my experience have been very helpful. Be sure to explain that you need to obtain the forms to be released out of district. For me the realease out has been relatively easy and hassle-free, but it is a little inconvenient to have to renew the request each year. Be sure to contact Berkeley Unified and ask what you will need outside of the transfer request (proof of employment, etc) when you submit your forms. If you already know which school you want to attend, talk to the principal about your plans and see if s/he thinks you have a good chance to get in to that particular school. My advice would be to check out at LEAST 3 schools and rank them so that you have some choices to fall back on. Remember there is no guarantee that you will be allowedd in to BUSD. WCCUSD may be very willing, but BUSD may not. Be prepared. This is where your challenge may be. A transfer mom of 2