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  • I'm looking for a new PCP and ideally hoping to find someone within a larger medical center, where referrals/testing/specialist visits are very well integrated, and, ideally, my PCP can actually make specialist appointments for me in real-time during the appointment. I briefly had Kaiser insurance a while back and loved how seamless it was to see specialists in the same place (but hated the conflict of interest of the organization that pays for my medical care being the same organization that decides what medical care I should receive). I'm specifically looking at the Sutter system, John Muir Health in Berkeley, or Stanford Health Care in Emeryville. I know they can have long wait times to see my provider, but I'm not concerned with long waits so much as having everything in one place with administrative ease. Can anyone who has used any of these provide any feedback on how seamless (or not seamless!) the experience feels, with your PCP and specialists working together (or not)? One example is a PCP being able to schedule a mammogram for me, rather than refer me out to a different center where I need to call them, register as a new patient, and jump through hoops to get something scheduled. Thanks for any recommendations on medical centers and/or PCPs that you love (or recommend staying away from!)

    Tried Stanford about 8 years ago but had a very disjointed experience between pcp and endocrinology and the lab that really turned me off. I’ve had a good experience at Sutter with pcp, endocrinology, lab, gyn and breast health center (mammogram). What I love the most is that all tests, notes and referrals are all in one place for all my drs to access and the portal is fairly easy to navigate. I have experience with John Muir via my kids’ drs and it’s similar to Sutter but not as many drs or locations so harder to stay within the network so they split between JM and Sutter. 

  • Hi.  This is kind of an odd question but I think this Berkeley forum could be a great place to sort this issue out.  I've lived in Berkeley over 20 years.  Over the last few years I have found accessing healthcare to be WAY more difficult than it should be.  I had an hmo.  Now I have a ppo and it is no better.  I get my list of providers from the health insurance company and go down the list. Doctors seem to be working out of two or more offices, mostly outside of the Berkeley/Oakland area; usually east of the tunnel or SF. Appointments are booked up.  And often I hear that doctors are no longer taking new patients.  This is across the general and specialty areas.  The few doctors I might be able to access are ones who are poorly reviewed, or NP's in situations where I really need an MD.  I am wondering if doctors are actively avoiding this Berkeley/Oakland area? My insurance switch didn't seem to fix anything.  So I'm wondering, does anyone in this geographic area have this healthcare thing figured out?  Is there some particular type of insurance that is good in this geographic area?  Is anyone else experiencing this?

    You have posed the question of the post-pandemic era!

    Others may have good specific recommendations. But I will just say that even with our top-of-the-line Medicare + supplemental coverage, the health care situation does indeed suck.

    In the beginning there were two models:  Alta Bates, with various doctor partnerships, and Kaiser. I will speak to the former.

    Alta Bates started out great, then it was acquired by Sutter in the early 1990s, and promptly started going downhill.  This is not to say that there are not excellent doctors who are in the Sutter system. And yes, lots of them have one office in Oakland/Berkeley and another in LaMorinda.  But the parsimonious management of Sutter has often resulted in labor disputes over understaffing.

    At some point patients started to leave Sutter and go to either UCSF or JohnMuir Health.  Stanford, sensing the opportunity to pick up market share, started to court some of the best doctors in this area, to entice them to affiliate.  This was about 2014.  Stanford moved into a pair of big buildings at 5800 Hollis in Emeryville.

    (Helpful hints:  don't try to park in their interior garage unless you have a tiny car. There is street parking.  And don't try to call on the phones; the call center is in Palo Alto.  And don't get me started on their awful patient portal.)

    But issues with Stanford in the East Bay soon appeared.  If a patient had a condition warranting hospitalization, there are no Stanford hospitals nearby.  In theory, the patient could check in to any hospital and the Stanford-affiliated GP would interface with a "hospitalist" at the non-Stanford hospital.

    Ultimately, even before the pandemic, it seems that Stanford did not do a great job of supporting their doctors.  Mine, for example, jumped ship to John Muir.

    For people like me, who are picky about what doctors we see, John Muir is IMHO the best:  good medical professionals and a closed-loop ecosystem.  The drawback is that you have go through the Tunnel, which was burdensome on family members when I needed surgery and ended up in Concord.

    To find specialists, I use word-of-mouth, BPN, and (surprisingly accurate) Yelp-dot-com.

    For people who don't want to navigate the health system, there is Kaiser, which has many beneficial aspects.  Still, when my daughter (a Kaiser patient) needed an MRI, she had to travel from Oakland to outer Richmond.

    The Bay Area has excellent availability of top-quality care, so with a little research and a willingness to leave unsatisfactory providers and health plans, a patient will do fine.  The Wine Country, too, is a place where doctors want to reside, so I would be confident that good care can be found there as well. But Sutter in the Santa Rosa-Cloverdale area does indeed get poor reviews among my circle of friends.

    Happy hunting, and be well!

    A lot of people have quit clinical medicine. I work at a safety net clinic and we can't hire people. I was at an appointment at Kaiser yesterday and the doctor was saying they can't hire people either. It's not just doctors - the medical assistance who check your vitals and room you, nurses, front desk staff - it's all short-staffed. If someone has recommendations of practices or places where they've avoided this problem by all means, take advantage of that. But it's happening both locally and nationwide, so it's pretty widespread.

    Hi, I am curious to see if anyone else has answers to these questions! I have Kaiser and was considering a switch because there are essentially no doctors available in Berkeley/Oakland. After my last doctor left Kaiser, I was recently assigned to a brand new doctor who is only a resident and has no certifications or reviews. I would like to have a doctor with some experience. The only alternatives are both osteopaths and not MDs, which I'm skeptical about. Kaiser is a huge organization in this area - what is going on? It sounds like there's no point switching to a different insurance, since people seem to have the same problems there. Has anyone had luck finding a personal physician lately, and if so, with which insurance?

    Hi I’m a doctor so I see this problem from inside the system. Our health system is collapsing. So many providers quit during COVID, others got burnt out, health systems are asking more and more of us and now patients are angry and frustrated they can’t be seen and are taking it out on the ones who are still practicing. Everyone I know had left or is on the verge of leaving for a non clinical job. Our health system is set up in a way that abuses workers and providers and it’s becoming increasingly obvious as things fall apart. 

    My doctor said the average age of a primary care doctor in SF is 65.  His practice is full.  I think what you are describing is a universal problem, as the previous posters said.  I think the doctor who posted that it's a systemic problem that makes it hard to practice medicine, is correct.

  • Hi there!

    I'm moving my parents to East Bay and in this process, I'm researching doctors and specialists (i.e., cardiologist, neurologist, and vision rehab specialist). For myself, I've seen both John Muir/UCSF for primary care and Sutter Health for OBGYN services in Berkeley. I like both systems but need one for my aging parents. Do BPN members have any feedback about the two? I'm curious to hear your thoughts/preferences. 

    Thanks in advance!

    Dany

    I have John Muir for my primary and Sutter for OB/GYN and I prefer Sutter. Even though I like my John Muir doctor, I hate how John Muir abuses its online messaging system. I get emails all the time that say things like "important personal message regarding your health" and then when I log in to the patient portal, I find some canned marketing message ("our hours for the vaccination clinic have changed" "we now have flu vaccines available" etc.) which aren't even remotely personal or related to my own health.  OK, maybe not the most important factor - and I'm not ready to change doctors over it - but if I could start over, I would just use Sutter.