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  • Attic into Living Space

    Jan 23, 2021

    Hi,

    Has anyone here converted their attic into a living space? How did it go as far as permits, contractors, project time? Any information would be helpful. Thanks.

    I looked into building out my attic and was surprised when the architect told me that before the attic conversion could start, I needed to put in a new foundation that could support the extra living level. My foundation is 90 years old and it didn’t make sense to simply reinforce it. Additionally I would have to reinforce the load bearing walls. The problem was that either internal or external wall coverings (ie plaster walls or shingles in my case) have to be removed in order to reinforce the walls. Let’s just say that the structural additions cost far more than the work in the attic. Plus I though I could live in my house while the attic was finished. But there was no way to live there during the structural work. 

    We did convert our attic into living space, and it's my favorite space in the house. However, it was part of a major remodel of an old house where we had to lift the house, install a new foundation, etc so I can't break out the price for you. One thing a lot of people don't realize about attic conversions is that it depends on your roofline AND your foundation - if you don't have the proper supports above and below (or are willing to pay for them to be upgraded) it's not possible. Good luck!

    Hi,

    While we didn't end up going through with the project, I am an architect, and did a pretty thorough assessment for building out the attic, drawing up plans and estimating time and materials. In summary, it didn't make sense for us at the time, but who knows what might change in the future. It's a great opportunity to gain habitable space, while retaining most of the character of the house itself.

    In summary, a couple important things to consider:

    1. We looked into dormers that would increase our living space by approx 500 SF. Note that the Planning Department will be involved if there is major change to shape/height of the house. We mirrored the house next door to make the planning process potentially a little bit easier.
    2. You should find out whether your foundation is ready to support three levels. Ours was retrofitted in the '90s but only for 2 stories (basement and main level). As such, we would need to have an engineered solution and new foundation work.
    3. Think about where a stair might go and how it eats up main floor square footage.
    4. We were going to do a majority of the work ourselves, hiring engineering and a laborer for a good part of the project.
    5. Our estimate for the project (materials, time, engineering + permitting) was around $200k. Note, that the more I thought about it, the need for me to quit my job factored in, and I estimated 6 months of lost pay as well. Also note, this was a preliminary estimate. If you were to hire this project out, I would assume adding another 50% or more. Hopefully that is a ROM that you can work with.

    So just a few notes for you to consume as you think about next steps. Let me know if you have any other questions or ideas.

    Cheers,
    Zach

    Our architect said he's gotten this question a lot and not once has a home owner gone through with it. Usually its the same cost as building a second story due to foundation updates, ceiling updates to support a living space, plumbing, roof updates to add insulation etc etc etc. I'd also like to know if anyone had successfully done it. 

    We did this about 12 years ago and now have a 3rd floor with a bedroom and bathroom and small amount of attic space.  Our house is 100+ years old. The architect brought in a structural engineer. Our foundation was OK but he recommended moment frames for the exterior walls and strengthening the ground floor walls, which meant tearing out interior walls in the kitchen and dining room. We ended up remodeling the kitchen at the same time since half the kitchen was going to be affected. It was twice as expensive than we originally thought.  This project took about 8 months and we stayed in the house while the work was going on, with a 2 year old, cooking on a camping stove on the back porch! We have a big house so it was not too bad. You'll want an experienced contractor who will be able to advise you on the permits you need. 

    We looked into converting an attic with an architect. What we found was that since our 10 year old foundation was only meant for 2 stories, adding living space in the attic will require retrofitting the foundation. Because we had tenants living on the ground floor level that was a no go for us. The other problem was finding space for an interior staircase, our living space  simply wasn't big enough to accommodate a staircase. We ended up with a small addition in the back of our house. We enclosed an existing deck and added a room and added a new deck. 

  • We had our roof replaced several years ago and the roofers left the debris in our attic. We are having insulation put in and the insulation company quoted us $1700 to clear it out. This seems excessive. Is there something I’m missing about the challenge of this job? Does anyone have a handiperson or someone to recommend for this job? What type of contractor can do this?

    The price quoted is not only for taking the debris out but for disposal as well. Without seeing the amount of trash and how accessible your attic is it's hard to judge whether the quote is excessive or not. You should get a few quotes from trash haulers, they might cost less. Try Jose Diaz Hauling 510 825-4218, I've used them several times and they are responsible and reasonably priced. 

    We had the same issue.  A ton of debris in the attic crawlspace.  I didn't realize this until I looked up there one time and this was years after the roof was replaced.  When I had remodeling and had electrical upgrade done I just asked my general contractor to remove the debris.  He had one of his men do the work.  It took three days for one man to do it.  Not an easy accessible space in my house.  There was 3 big bagfuls of debris. It cost me $1200 plus piece of mind.  The roofer who replaced my old cedar shake roof never said anything about the debris or giving me the option of cle

    We had the company we used for insulation work (Atticare) remove the roofing debris from our attic and it was included in their quote, which I thought was very reasonable. They used a high-powered vacuum to get the roofing material out. I can't believe that roofers do this and how many stories I've heard from homeowner's on this topic.

    I would think that in most cases, paying hourly for this type of work would be quite expensive.

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